https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.03.574008v1.full.pdf
The article was written by a research group led by Mr. Egan Tong, who works in Beijing in the field of molecular biology and previously worked for the PLA. The point of the article is that a new variant of coronavirus has been found, called GX_P2V. It is absolutely lethal to hACE2 mice, which are not really mice. These are so-called transgenic mice, in which some cell membrane proteins are identical to human ones. Everything that infects such a mouse infects humans.

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.03.574008v1.full.pdf
The article was written by a research group led by Mr. Egan Tong, who works in Beijing in the field of molecular biology and previously worked for the PLA. The point of the article is that a new variant of
coronavirus has been found, called GX_P2V. It is absolutely lethal to hACE2 mice, which are not really mice. These are so-called transgenic mice, in which some cell membrane proteins are identical to human ones. Everything that infects such a mouse infects humans.

The Democrats unleash dangerous things when a Republican president gets elected. First it was the 9/11 attacks in 2001 when Bush was president, second it was COVID-19 when Trump was president. If Trump wins again, it will be time for GX_P2V.

But if Trump gets elected, maybe he can stop the genocide before it starts.

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They specifically mutate these viruses to test their lethality. It's like shooting yourself in the head to see if the Colt pistol system works.

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They specifically mutate these viruses to test their lethality. It's like shooting yourself in the head to see if the Colt pistol system works.

Now is a good time for people to start asking themselves "Why do I vote for Democrats?"

Here's another smart question that they never ask themselves: "What are we doing to stop scientists from intentionally mutating viruses?"

They're more focused on "When will I get bonus food stamps?"

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Many SysOps write that they will vote for Michelle Obama. I will simply not comment on this issue. I just won't.

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Many SysOps write that they will vote for Michelle Obama. I will simply not comment on this issue. I just won't.

Michelle Obama destroyed school lunches for the kids. The schools used to serve delicious food when I was a kid, but now they put peanut butter and jelly on wheat bread (bad combination) and awful wheat-bread pizza. She said she didn't want the kids to be overweight, so now they're starving instead.

What else can Michelle Obama ruin? I don't want to find out.

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.03.574008v1.full.pdf
The article was written by a research group led by Mr. Egan Tong, who works in Beijing in the field of molecular biology and previously worked for the PLA. The point of the article is that a new variant of
coronavirus has been found, called GX_P2V. It is absolutely lethal to hACE2 mice, which are not really mice. These are so-called transgenic mice, in which some cell membrane proteins are identical to human ones. Everything that infects such a mouse infects humans.

This news comes at a suspicious time, because the World Economic Forum has announced that they will be discussing "Disease X" next week!

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You know, I try to stay ahead of events through a wide information network of 200 English-language sites and 100 sites in other languages.
But the bulk of news comes through CDG. I know that many people don't like its design, but the news coverage there is many times greater than on any social network.
Reading the news every evening in CDG takes at least 1.5 hours. I know that many people cannot afford this. But if you want to be informed, you need to read not 1 or 2 media per day, but at least 150-250.

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Hello roman!

** On Saturday 13.01.24 - 04:23, roman wrote to shitty:

You know, I try to stay ahead of events through a wide information network
of 200 English-language sites and 100 sites in other languages. But the bulk of news comes through CDG. I know that many people don't like its design,
but the news coverage there is many times greater than on any social
network. Reading the news every evening in CDG takes at least 1.5 hours. I know that many people cannot afford this. But if you want to be informed,
you need to read not 1 or 2 media per day, but at least 150-250.

What is CDG? I search for CDG news, and all I get are hits or
comdotgames and Paris Charles de Gaulle airport. :/
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Hello. This is my little news project: http://cdg.adultchatclub.com/
This is aggregation of the world's conservative, conspiracy and yellow press, as well blogs and anti-globalists projects. Despite the fact that the project is almost a year old, due to its specifics, it is very poorly indexed by search engines.

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Twas Friday, January 12th when shitty said...

Now is a good time for people to start asking themselves "Why do I vote for Democrats?"

Because they're not fascists?


shitty around Friday, January 12th...

They're more focused on "When will I get bonus food stamps?"

Wat.


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On Friday, January 12th roman muttered...

Many SysOps write that they will vote for Michelle Obama. I will simply not comment on this issue. I just won't.

You just did.

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Twas Friday, January 12th when shitty said...

Michelle Obama destroyed school lunches for the kids. The schools used to serve delicious food when I was a kid, but now they put peanut butter and jelly on wheat bread (bad combination) and awful wheat-bread pizza. She said she didn't want the kids to be overweight, so now they're starving instead.

You do realize (lol, trick question!), that school lunches have been -- for a very long time -- in a special class allowing them to be below standards. You literally can't serve that shit anywhere but school, or to animals.

Where do you come up with this nonsene? Kids are now eating (slightly) healthier. The "libs" are also providing school lunches to kids who often get that as their only meal (poverty et al.); Guess who tries to block it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME? The GOP. Always the modern GOP. Always. Banning books? GOP. Cutting school funding? GOP.

You conspiracy bafoons need to get off YouTube or whatever the hell it is you do for your "research", and start getting educated. Which reminds me of other fun facts: Study after study after study after study shows people leaning far right as less educated, self focused (the "I got mine!" attitude), lacking of empathy, more prone to conspiracy theories, and one of my favorites: Favoring fascist leaders.




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to serve delicious food when I was a kid, but now they put peanut butter and jelly on wheat bread (bad combination) and awful wheat-bread pizza.

isn't bread always made with wheat?

... It might be 90° to reality - but in which direction?

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You know, I try to stay ahead of events through a wide information
network of 200 English-language sites and 100 sites in other languages. But the bulk of news comes through CDG. I know that many people don't
like its design, but the news coverage there is many times greater than
on any social network.
Reading the news every evening in CDG takes at least 1.5 hours. I know that many people cannot afford this. But if you want to be informed, you need to read not 1 or 2 media per day, but at least 150-250.

I like CDG! But staying informed requires listening and reading more than just what bloggers have to say. There are people out there in the world who have answers to our questions, but we won't find them on the internet.

But I am grateful for the information that comes from bloggers and/or non-mainstream media. If it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't know that intentional virus mutation persists despite the covid-19 disaster.

Voters have no clue.

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You do realize (lol, trick question!), that school lunches have been -- for a very long time -- in a special class allowing them to be below standards. You literally can't serve that shit anywhere but school, or
to animals.

No, I never realized that. How did you know that? I used to love school lunches in the 80s & 90s.

Where do you come up with this nonsene? Kids are now eating (slightly) healthier. The "libs" are also providing school lunches to kids who
often get that as their only meal (poverty et al.); Guess who tries to block it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME? The GOP. Always the modern GOP. Always. Banning books? GOP. Cutting school funding? GOP.

Who's not feeding their kids and blaming it on poverty? Sounds very irresponsible to me.

There is an effort in my city for the schools to feed the children every day of the week, even in the summer. But it makes no sense. What are parents for?

The GOP is an extension of the United States Democratic Party. If you have a problem with the GOP, you should write a letter to the DNC.

You conspiracy bafoons need to get off YouTube or whatever the hell it
is you do for your "research", and start getting educated. Which reminds me of other fun facts: Study after study after study after study shows people leaning far right as less educated, self focused (the "I got
mine!" attitude), lacking of empathy, more prone to conspiracy theories, and one of my favorites: Favoring fascist leaders.

Studying studies doesn't make you smart. That's how "blacks suffer from everything even worse than white people" got started. A real scientist measures his own statistics, and doesn't let the TV do it for him.

Conspiracies exist. Theorizing about them is smart, because otherwise you catch a virus like GX_P2V, and then you die while saying to youself "Oh no! I'm missing the Jimmy Kimmel Show!"

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to serve delicious food when I was a kid, but now they put peanut but and jelly on wheat bread (bad combination) and awful wheat-bread pizz

isn't bread always made with wheat?

I don't bake it, I just eat it. There's a type called "white bread" and there's another type called "wheat bread." Wheat bread tastes like crap, but I eat it anyway because it has less calories than white bread.

Kids shouldn't be forced to eat stuff that has less calories and tastes bad.

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On Saturday, January 13th shitty said...

No, I never realized that. How did you know that? I used to love school lunches in the 80s & 90s.

I'm not sure why you're having a problem separating "liking food as a kid" and "healthy".

Twas Saturday, January 13th when shitty said...

Who's not feeding their kids and blaming it on poverty? Sounds very irresponsible to me.

You do know what the word poverty means, right? It sounds like you may need a dictionary.


Twas Saturday, January 13th when shitty said...

There is an effort in my city for the schools to feed the children every day of the week, even in the summer. But it makes no sense. What are parents for?

Like I said, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Your name rings true.


On Saturday, January 13th shitty muttered...

The GOP is an extension of the United States Democratic Party. If you have a problem with the GOP, you should write a letter to the DNC.

Dear lord you're delusional.


shitty around Saturday, January 13th...

Studying studies doesn't make you smart. That's how "blacks suffer from everything even worse than white people" got started. A real scientist measures his own statistics, and doesn't let the TV do it for him.

No, that's definitely NOT how science works. Also, if your weird and broad statement is referring to blacks having less opportunities, and general mistreatment, that's due to shitasses like yourself. It got started when racist fucks decided to be uneducated racist fucks.

Science isn't in a vacuum. Peer reviewed studies are tested, retested, cross examined, etc. And when they all lead to the same thing, we can generally safely say "this is due to X"; and the studies continue.


shitty around Saturday, January 13th...

Conspiracies exist. Theorizing about them is smart, because otherwise you catch a virus like GX_P2V, and then you die while saying to youself "Oh no! I'm missing the Jimmy Kimmel Show!"

Conspiracies certainly do exist. We're watching one play out in the US with the Pumkinfuhrer attempting and co attempting to stage a coup. See. Real conspiracy.


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No, I never realized that. How did you know that? I used to love scho lunches in the 80s & 90s.

I'm not sure why you're having a problem separating "liking food as a
kid" and "healthy".

When food tastes like shit, and it gets tossed in the trash, and the kid doesn't eat anything then, that's not healthy.

Who's not feeding their kids and blaming it on poverty? Sounds very irresponsible to me.

You do know what the word poverty means, right? It sounds like you may need a dictionary.

If a parent is not feeding their child, they need to be arrested, no matter how "poverty-stricken" they are. But instead of arresting them, idiot liberals prefer to make taxpayers feed them more shit that they don't wanna eat, so they can practice throwing food in the trash at home also.

Studying studies doesn't make you smart. That's how "blacks suffer fr everything even worse than white people" got started. A real scientis measures his own statistics, and doesn't let the TV do it for him.

No, that's definitely NOT how science works. Also, if your weird and
broad statement is referring to blacks having less opportunities, and general mistreatment, that's due to shitasses like yourself. It got started when racist fucks decided to be uneducated racist fucks.

Science isn't in a vacuum. Peer reviewed studies are tested, retested, cross examined, etc. And when they all lead to the same thing, we can generally safely say "this is due to X"; and the studies continue.

When it comes to TV Narratives VS Use-Your-Brain, you've chosen TV Narratives. Wise choice! ;)

Conspiracies certainly do exist. We're watching one play out in the US with the Pumkinfuhrer attempting and co attempting to stage a coup. See. Real conspiracy.

Somebody is staging a coup? It won't work. The Democrats will stop at nothing to maintain power over us. They're even willing to unleash viruses that will kill millions of people. That's not somebody you stage a coup against.

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It's interesting how quickly the topic changed from the fact that the communists want to seize power to the topic of the quality of school lunches.

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On 12 Jan 2024, shitty said the following...

They specifically mutate these viruses to test their lethality. It's shooting yourself in the head to see if the Colt pistol system works.

Now is a good time for people to start asking themselves "Why do I vote for Democrats?"

WHat about the strong evidence that it is the "system" that votes for the Democrats and that individual voters are no longer the origin of the winning quanity of votes?

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On 12 Jan 2024, roman said the following...

Many SysOps write that they will vote for Michelle Obama. I will simply not comment on this issue. I just won't.

Such is the sad state of the world where those with other opinions cannot express them for fear of backlash.

And those who operating BBSes would express support for a person who is the most likely to shut them down or allow strong controls to be placed upon the BBS scene is even more sad.

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On 13 Jan 2024, roman said the following...

You know, I try to stay ahead of events through a wide information
network of 200 English-language sites and 100 sites in other languages. But the bulk of news comes through CDG.

CDG is?

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On 14 Jan 2024, roman said the following...

It's interesting how quickly the topic changed from the fact that the communists want to seize power to the topic of the quality of school lunches.

Usually the next step if people calling each other Hitler.

Divide and conquer on a messagebase level?

BTW If you send your children to the modern public schools you are more
suspect than just allowing them to eat crappy school food. Small school districts, parochial schools, and home schooling seem to be better options.

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there's another type called "wheat bread." Wheat bread tastes like crap, but I eat it anyway because it has less calories than white

Makes sense now. English isn't my first language so I was confused. Thanks for explaining.

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On Saturday, January 13th shitty said...

When food tastes like shit, and it gets tossed in the trash, and the kid doesn't eat anything then, that's not healthy.

It's a bit chuckly to me that your little brain can't figure out the difference from your one, personal, not even quite ancedotal (since, presuably, you're too old to have eaten this food) "evidence", and reality.


On Saturday, January 13th shitty muttered...

If a parent is not feeding their child, they need to be arrested, no matter how "poverty-stricken" they are. But instead of arresting them, idiot liberals prefer to make taxpayers feed them more shit that they don't wanna eat, so they can practice throwing food in the trash at home also.

Let's follow through your small brain thinking:
1) Arrest the parents because they can't afford to properly feed their children 2) Shit, that's where it stops. Taxpayers feeding the children again. Or perhaps in your minibrain, you just let 'em die?

"idiot liberals" have pushed forward minimum wage hikes so the parents can you know, afford to feed their children, have a home, etc. Of course, you're against that too.

On Saturday, January 13th shitty was heard saying...

When it comes to TV Narratives VS Use-Your-Brain, you've chosen TV Narratives. Wise choice! ;)

You're literally the only one in this thread that has mentioned TV.


shitty around Saturday, January 13th...

Somebody is staging a coup? It won't work. The Democrats will stop at nothing to maintain power over us. They're even willing to unleash viruses that will kill millions of people. That's not somebody you stage a coup against.

The democrats (and MANY rebublicans) are pretty any coup, for obvious reasons.

I really can't tell if you're a troll, or just that god damn dumb. Unfortunantely, the evidence shows you're probably the 2nd option.


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NuSkooler wrote to shitty <=-

You do realize (lol, trick question!), that school lunches have been -- for a very long time -- in a special class allowing them to be below standards. You literally can't serve that shit anywhere but school, or
to animals.

There was a USDA "School Lunch" grade for meats at one time. Not sure
what they called it.

Where do you come up with this nonsene? Kids are now eating (slightly) healthier. The "libs" are also providing school lunches to kids who
often get that as their only meal (poverty et al.); Guess who tries to block it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME? The GOP. Always the modern GOP. Always. Banning books? GOP. Cutting school funding? GOP.

The irony of a "pro-life" legislator passing anti-abortion legislation
while preventing aid and benefits to children pushes the boundaries of
hypocrisy.

Another minor point to the original poster- Michelle Obama hasn't made
any moves towards running for office yet. She's never held an elected
office before, I'd think she'd run for at least congress first.



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unixl0rd wrote to shitty <=-

to serve delicious food when I was a kid, but now they put peanut butter and jelly on wheat bread (bad combination) and awful wheat-bread pizza.

isn't bread always made with wheat?

... It might be 90° to reality - but in which direction?

As for Shitty's memory, school lunches have never, as a general rule,
been anything to write home about, but kid's tastes have changed. I got
really excited about a cheap hot dog, bag of chips and a coke on
Fridays, kids nowadays are gourmands compared to my generation.

I grew up in a middle-class household with one income and two kids.
Money wasn't scarce, but I could tell we weren't rich. Dinners were
often casseroles and other dishes made to stretch a dollar, and I don't
recall *not* eating what was served.

My daughter would rather go hungry (and snack later) than eat what she
doesn't want to eat. Night and day. She's complained about the school
lunches as much as any kid.




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@NuSkooler - decorum buddy, decorum. Agreeing to disagree is a viture, not a failing.

Nudge it twoards nice, please.

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Why do you think you have the right to insult a unco? Maybe he shed his blood for the United States and is concerned about school lunches for that reason. What kind of manner of getting personal in a debate? The Constitution protects the right of any person to freedom of speech, even if person is a communist or a fascist.

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It's interesting how quickly the topic changed from the fact that the communists want to seize power to the topic of the quality of school lunches.

In the USA, it's the same political party that does both of those things ;)

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They specifically mutate these viruses to test their lethality. shooting yourself in the head to see if the Colt pistol system w

Now is a good time for people to start asking themselves "Why do I vo for Democrats?"

WHat about the strong evidence that it is the "system" that votes for the Democrats and that individual voters are no longer the origin of the winning quanity of votes?

Good point! So the question that liberals need to ask themselves is actually "Why did we let Democrats end democracy and how can we get it back?"

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Many SysOps write that they will vote for Michelle Obama. I will simp not comment on this issue. I just won't.

Such is the sad state of the world where those with other opinions cannot express them for fear of backlash.

And those who operating BBSes would express support for a person who is the most likely to shut them down or allow strong controls to be placed upon the BBS scene is even more sad.

They weren't elite enough to become CEOs of anything bigger than a BBS chat server, so that's why they're not in Switzerland this month.

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BTW If you send your children to the modern public schools you are more suspect than just allowing them to eat crappy school food. Small school districts, parochial schools, and home schooling seem to be better options.

They are better options, I agree, but it's not optional for my kids.

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"idiot liberals" have pushed forward minimum wage hikes so the parents
can you know, afford to feed their children, have a home, etc. Of
course, you're against that too.

Who lost their home because Republicans refused to agree to a minimum wage hike? I just never heard that story before. It sounds imaginary.

Reliance on government for food is ignorance. They want people to stop eating beef and to start eating crickets. They can stay out of my kitchen.

When it comes to TV Narratives VS Use-Your-Brain, you've chosen TV Narratives. Wise choice! ;)

You're literally the only one in this thread that has mentioned TV.

Where else would you get so much disinformation from? You're convinced that black people hurt more than other colors do. You're convinced that poor people can't afford to feed their kids because Republicans. You didn't come to those bogus conclusions on your own; admit it, it's the TV talkin.

I really can't tell if you're a troll, or just that god damn dumb. Unfortunantely, the evidence shows you're probably the 2nd option.

I'm a real BBS guy. I've been one since 1990.

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The irony of a "pro-life" legislator passing anti-abortion legislation
while preventing aid and benefits to children pushes the boundaries of
hypocrisy.

Something that's not ironic: Pro-choice voters being content with Biden's 2000 deaths along the border, 500 rapes in the Darien Gap, and more than 20 million migrants without background checks roaming the streets.

Life just isn't life without death, rape, and the sabotage of safety.

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Twas Sunday, January 14th when roman said...

Why do you think you have the right to insult a unco? Maybe he shed his blood for the United States and is concerned about school lunches for that reason. What kind of manner of getting personal in a debate? The Constitution protects the right of any person to freedom of speech, even if person is a communist or a fascist.

The Constitution allows me to call out idiots, too.

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On Sunday, January 14th shitty muttered...

Who lost their home because Republicans refused to agree to a minimum wage hike? I just never heard that story before. It sounds imaginary.

Oh word! Let me help you:
* https://www.newsweek.com/three-quarters-republicans-oppose-raising-minimum-wage-poll-1576579
* https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardmcgahey/2021/02/27/republicans-in-washington-block-bidens-vital-minimum-wage-increase/?sh=202d8e66f72c

The minimum wage hike to $15 in 2019 was widely supported by mostly all sides as far as constituents; The GOP however, mostly fell into two camps of either trying to block it all together, or droping it down to $10.

Another fun twist a few tried to pull: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-want-raise-federal-minimum-wage-only-verifiable-american-citizens

I'm sure you might even agree with that one - but I'm sure you also agree with the concept of "lazy" Mexicans coming to take our jobs, or whatever nonsense Trump and co have spewed for the last 10+ years. Oh and "They don't pay taxes", though of course, they'd be paying taxes on their earings.


On Sunday, January 14th shitty said...

Reliance on government for food is ignorance. They want people to stop eating beef and to start eating crickets. They can stay out of my kitchen.

You're good at dodging issues, aren't you? Run through your little plan of throwing the parents in jail (taxpayer money), and then you're left with the options of feeding the kids anyway (taxpayer money) or letting them die. Please tell us your master plan here.

I'm not sure who you think is coming to try and make you eat crickets, who is this "They", and where did they touch you?


On Sunday, January 14th shitty muttered...

Where else would you get so much disinformation from? You're convinced that black people hurt more than other colors do. You're convinced that poor people can't afford to feed their kids because Republicans. You didn't come to those bogus conclusions on your own; admit it, it's the TV talkin.

These are studies. Remember how you brought up "science", then proceeded to tell us how science worked, which wasn't actually how science works, then keep pointing to the TV. Then in other threads, just point to some wonky "news" sites full of YouTube consipiracy nuts screaming about crap in their pickups.

You can read the studies too, but I'm sure you believe there is a global conspiracy of thousands and thousands of scientists across the entire planet writing up this "fiction".

I didn't say GOP kept made them poor, the GOP helps keep them that way. Though actually, some of it is quite deliberate. So there, now I've said it a bit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8688641/ https://news.stanford.edu/2020/12/01/gentrification-disproportionately-affects-minorities/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721418770442 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5745862/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915460/

The US was literally built on this shit, and half of the states fought and died trying to keep it. The same states and people have generations of racists tring to keep it that way.


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shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Something that's not ironic: Pro-choice voters being content with
Biden's 2000 deaths along the border, 500 rapes in the Darien Gap, and more than 20 million migrants without background checks roaming the streets.

1. Border deaths haven't trended conclusively one way or the other -
certainly not in a way that you could inflate the total and attribute
it to Biden. Given that republican politics are in the news recently,
with the Texas Military Guard blocking US Border patrol from aiding
people in distress in the Rio Grande, any claim of deaths being
attributable to Biden are disingenuous at best.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-die-crossing-the-us-mexico-border/

2015: 251
2016: 329
2017: 281
2018: 281
2019: 300
2020: 247

2. Please explain how Biden is culpable for rapes in Panama.

3. See https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US

The estimates are in the neighborhood of 11 million. I have news for
you, they've been here all the time, waiting tables, cooking in
restaurants, picking produce, working on construction sites and
landscaping. Nothing new to see there, except a long-standing need for immigration reform.





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On Monday, January 15th roman said...

Well, then you must understand the consequences of this.

Oh, do tell!


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I grew up in a middle-class household with one income and two kids.
Money wasn't scarce, but I could tell we weren't rich. Dinners were
often casseroles and other dishes made to stretch a dollar, and I don't
recall *not* eating what was served.

Same here. Instead of casseroles we had potatoes and pork (and sometimes fish).

My daughter would rather go hungry (and snack later) than eat what she
doesn't want to eat. Night and day. She's complained about the school
lunches as much as any kid.

I just give mine the same plate over and over until she eats it. Hunger is the best spice.

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My life experience is that people who insult strangers anywhere are sometimes found murdered in their homes or they sometimes go missing. If this happened many times because of a ban in game servers, what do you think will happen if you insult strangers about whom you know nothing. Moreover, the BBS world is very small. Perhaps you don't know about this. Therefore, I consider it my duty to notify you that there are many evil and vengeful people in the world.

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On Monday, January 15th unixl0rd was heard saying...

I just give mine the same plate over and over until she eats it. Hunger is the best spice.

Yep, hungry kids will eat. And food is pretty much universally a acquired taste. What one person thinks is weird, exotic, or gross, others growing up with it love.

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On Monday, January 15th roman was heard saying...

My life experience is that people who insult strangers anywhere are sometimes found murdered in their homes or they sometimes go missing. If this happened many times because of a ban in game servers, what do you think will happen if you insult strangers about whom you know nothing. Moreover, the BBS world is very small. Perhaps you don't know about this. Therefore, I consider it my duty to notify you that there are many evil and vengeful people in the world.

I'm unclear if this is a threat, or you're stating that 'shitty' is a threat. Anyone making physical threats towards me probably should think twice, or thrice.


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Twas Monday, January 15th when roman said...

My goal is to warn you how the world works. Your right to do as you please. In any case, if something happens to you, I will not be surprised.

Certainly sounds threatening to me. Sort of proves my point, and the studies thereof. Anyway, whoever better pretty god damn prepared :)


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NuSkooler wrote to roman <=-

I'm unclear if this is a threat, or you're stating that 'shitty' is a threat. Anyone making physical threats towards me probably should think twice, or thrice.

+1 for the use of "thrice". :)



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Twas Tuesday, January 16th when poindexter FORTRAN said...

+1 for the use of "thrice". :)

It's not every day that I get to use that word!

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Who lost their home because Republicans refused to agree to a minimum wage hike? I just never heard that story before. It sounds imaginary.

Oh word! Let me help you:
* https://www.newsweek.com/three-quarters-republicans-oppose-raising-minimum poll-1576579

I don't believe the media - there you go turning on the TV for the answer to everything. I believe what I see in real life, not what Newsweek posted on their website.

I'm sure you might even agree with that one - but I'm sure you also
agree with the concept of "lazy" Mexicans coming to take our jobs, or whatever nonsense Trump and co have spewed for the last 10+ years. Oh
and "They don't pay taxes", though of course, they'd be paying taxes on their earings.

You've got me confused with someone else. Were you molested by a conservative when you were a kid? There's treatment for that.

You're good at dodging issues, aren't you? Run through your little plan
of throwing the parents in jail (taxpayer money), and then you're left with the options of feeding the kids anyway (taxpayer money) or letting them die. Please tell us your master plan here.

Punish the parents for being scumbags, then feed the kids. But don't do that stuff in reverse order.

Where else would you get so much disinformation from? You're convince that black people hurt more than other colors do. You're convinced th poor people can't afford to feed their kids because Republicans. You didn't come to those bogus conclusions on your own; admit it, it's th talkin.

These are studies. Remember how you brought up "science", then proceeded to tell us how science worked, which wasn't actually how science works, then keep pointing to the TV. Then in other threads, just point to some wonky "news" sites full of YouTube consipiracy nuts screaming about crap in their pickups.

The World Economic Forum is a real thing. I pointed to their website.

If you study something hard enough, you can make it sound like it's a big deal to impressionable hypochondriacs.

I didn't say GOP kept made them poor, the GOP helps keep them that way. Though actually, some of it is quite deliberate. So there, now I've said it a bit.

The GOP are your friends, not mine. Tell them to knock it off.

The US was literally built on this shit, and half of the states fought
and died trying to keep it. The same states and people have generations
of racists tring to keep it that way.

There's nothing more racist than racial statistics. Those useless calculations are making people feel hopeless when in reality there is lots of hope for them, if only they'd stop falling for the BS on TV.

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1. Border deaths haven't trended conclusively one way or the other -
certainly not in a way that you could inflate the total and attribute
it to Biden. Given that republican politics are in the news recently,

According to the UN's IOM: "Throughout the Americas, 1,457 migrant deaths and disappearances were recorded in 2022, the deadliest year on record."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1140622

usafacts.com? Are they better than the U.N.?

2. Please explain how Biden is culpable for rapes in Panama.

He invited the world's migrants to the USA. More then 500 migrants who passed through the Darien Gap reported being raped there. The rapes wouldn't have happened if Biden had provided them with transportation. He made them walk thousands of miles to get here; he made them get raped, and so did you, if you voted for him.

3. See https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/sta

migrantpolicy.org? Ridiculous. You're scouring the internet for the facts that you want to find. If you look hard enough, you can find whatever you want.

The estimates are in the neighborhood of 11 million. I have news for

Even if that were accurate information, 11 million people without background checks are enough to cause plenty trouble. Let them stay at your place, since you voted for Biden.

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shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The estimates are in the neighborhood of 11 million. I have news for

Even if that were accurate information, 11 million people without background checks are enough to cause plenty trouble. Let them stay at your place, since you voted for Biden.

Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the American economy
for about as long as there's been agriculture.



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Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the American economy
for about as long as there's been agriculture.

Yes; one that we would deport when we touched/found them. I am *FOR* immigation in America - just not illegal immigration, ever. And this new gotaway phenomenon is disgusting IMO; we are GIVING 'asylum' consideration to ANY [illegal] immigrant who asks for it, letting them remain in-America for months/years before our court system can get to them and 1.5*Million* 'getaways' chose NOT to ask for it???? Hmmmmm - they didn't want to get fingerprinted - why??? I can think of a few reasons; none of which would reflect an immigrant that we'd accept legally.

The border issue is a FAILURE of this administration - while I might not agree with EVERY aspect of the Trump border policies, they were COMPLETELY more effective, fair and beneficial to American security that allowing 12M come over in the 4 year tenure of the Biden admin.

It's literally disgusting.

Yes; we've always had illegal immigrants - but never at this rate, and never allowed as we have been for the past 4 years... it needs fixing, fast - TBH, the damage is ALREADY done.



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The estimates are in the neighborhood of 11 million. I have news for

Even if that were accurate information, 11 million people without background checks are enough to cause plenty trouble. Let them stay a your place, since you voted for Biden.

Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the American economy
for about as long as there's been agriculture.

That's slavery.

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On Sunday, January 21st shitty was heard saying...

That's slavery.

Paying people for work they volunteer for is not slavery...

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shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the American economy
for about as long as there's been agriculture.

That's slavery.

They can leave any time they want, and they come of their choosing. it's shitty, but it isn't slavery.



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On Sunday, January 21st shitty was heard saying...

That's slavery.

Paying people for work they volunteer for is not slavery...

You're both full of it anyway by trying to conflate migrant orange pickers with 20 million Biden-migrants. You'll wish they came here to pick your oranges.

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On 21 Jan 2024, shitty said the following...

The estimates are in the neighborhood of 11 million. I have news

Even if that were accurate information, 11 million people withou background checks are enough to cause plenty trouble. Let them s your place, since you voted for Biden.

Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the American economy for about as long as there's been agriculture.

That's slavery.

Undocumented is not unpaid.

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Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the American ec for about as long as there's been agriculture.

That's slavery.

Undocumented is not unpaid.

It's not slavery, but it's immoral. pF wants to pay brown people less than minimum wage, but he thinks he's doing them a favor because our minimum wage is higher than theirs. (Nice guy.)

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On Wednesday, January 24th shitty muttered...

It's not slavery, but it's immoral. pF wants to pay brown people less than minimum wage, but he thinks he's doing them a favor because our minimum wage is higher than theirs. (Nice guy.)

In the cases in which undocumented's are being paid less, this we can agree on -- it's fucked up.

It's also insanely hard to get into the US legally. It takes years and years. When you're still earning more than you would back home, and don't have to fear for your life (well, as much...), it's still "a good deal" for many people.

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On 24 Jan 2024, shitty said the following...

Undocumented migrant workers have been a part of the Americ for about as long as there's been agriculture.

That's slavery.

Undocumented is not unpaid.

It's not slavery, but it's immoral. pF wants to pay brown people less
than minimum wage, but he thinks he's doing them a favor because our minimum wage is higher than theirs. (Nice guy.)

Who is pF?

The migration of lower cost resources (in this case labor) to a higher priced market for that resource is part of the free hand of a laize faire enconomic system.

It is why you might pick one brand or outlet of a commodity-type purchase over another.

I'm left somewhat puzzled by being upset about a free market, as it is that sort of wage disparity (and opportunity disparity) that moved my family from Europe to North America in the mid-1800s.

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On 24 Jan 2024, NuSkooler said the following...

It's also insanely hard to get into the US legally. It takes years and years. When you're still earning more than you would back home, and
don't have to fear for your life (well, as much...), it's still "a good deal" for many people.

Be clear our system is an analoge of the systems used elsewhere. (I've done it overseas, and it is the same stuff.)

The systems are designed to fast track what the receiving society wants in a new immigrant, and not be so nice to the rest.

On the USA system getting yourself catagorized as a refugee changes the process in your favor. That really is a slap in the face to the skilled migrant who is following the rules.

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k9zw wrote to shitty <=-

It's not slavery, but it's immoral. pF wants to pay brown people less
than minimum wage, but he thinks he's doing them a favor because our minimum wage is higher than theirs. (Nice guy.)

Who is pF?

I think pF is me; I'd love for "shitty" to provide a quote supporting his
claim above, or else they're just another troll.

I live in an agricultural region and continually see migrant workers
working their collective asses off. To attribute the above sentiment to
me disgusts me.



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It's also insanely hard to get into the US legally. It takes years and years. When you're still earning more than you would back home, and
don't have to fear for your life (well, as much...), it's still "a good deal" for many people.

That's an excuse. It's difficult to move to any country. No sane government wants milions of people who aren't eligible to work, and without background checks, wandering around.

You can't escape crime by coming to my country without a background check, because then you're just making my country bad like yours.

People in Ukraine are in fear for their life. Have you noticed that our migrants aren't coming from Ukraine?

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I'm left somewhat puzzled by being upset about a free market, as it is that sort of wage disparity (and opportunity disparity) that moved my family from Europe to North America in the mid-1800s.

The free market doesn't mean that we are "free to pay people less than minimum wage." It means that we have a right to run private busineses, without having the government own a share of it.

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It's not slavery, but it's immoral. pF wants to pay brown people less than minimum wage, but he thinks he's doing them a favor because our minimum wage is higher than theirs. (Nice guy.)

Who is pF?

I think pF is me; I'd love for "shitty" to provide a quote supporting
his claim above, or else they're just another troll.

This is a wake-up call: You're asking someone to prove that something is immoral. That means that there's something wrong with you.

I live in an agricultural region and continually see migrant workers
working their collective asses off. To attribute the above sentiment to
me disgusts me.

It's disgusting that you want to pay them less than what you'd have to pay a citizen. The only thing worse is that you conflate the few migrant workers on your plantation with the rest of the world's migrants.

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On 26 Jan 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

k9zw wrote to shitty <=-

Who is pF?

I think pF is me

My personal and collective apollogies for even asking.

In order to have the sort of collective discussion that has a chance of becoming edifying and influencing, we need interpersonal mutual respect.

To "Agreeably Disagree" works.

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On 26 Jan 2024, shitty said the following...

The free market doesn't mean that we are "free to pay people less than minimum wage." It means that we have a right to run private busineses, without having the government own a share of it.

Two comments to consider:

It is really hard to hire anyone at minimum wage. We can't even hire kids in kids training approved roles at much less than 1.5x to 2x minimum. Somewhat makes the whole minimum wage concept moot in practice.

Unfortunately we do not have an opportunity to run businesses without the government as a silent partner taking its monetary share, and overwatch/policeman regulating most aspects. When you move from paper to practice, you find you are stuck with lots of government.

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k9zw wrote to shitty <=-

It is really hard to hire anyone at minimum wage. We can't even hire
kids in kids training approved roles at much less than 1.5x to 2x
minimum. Somewhat makes the whole minimum wage concept moot in
practice.

When you look at how the minimum wage has fallen behind inflation, it's
lost its function. If you increased it to match inflation it'd be 23 to
25 dollars an hour.


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On Friday, January 26th shitty was heard saying...

That's an excuse. It's difficult to move to any country. No sane government wants milions of people who aren't eligible to work, and without background checks, wandering around.

You need to get yourself some history books; specifically around your own country you make claims of. If you go back just a generation, it was 1000% easier to become a citizen. Go back two, and you literally showed up and signed in. We (the US government and co.) literally imported Chinese, Mexican, Irish, etc. workers. Mexicans? We took their land via war (I'm living right on it). We still make it much easier to bring in people specficially targetted as a valuable asset (ie: high tech workers are most common currently).

You just circular logiced your 2nd position: "...who aren't elible to work". Well, then do that, make them eligible. It's not hard.


On Friday, January 26th shitty muttered...

You can't escape crime by coming to my country without a background check, because then you're just making my country bad like yours.

That's some serious FUD. People escaping crime and prosecution aren't coming here to "do crimes" like the Orange fuhrer claims. They are coming to work and try to make a better life for themselves. If it were even semi reasonable to get into the US legally, people would (and still try to do, though it takes 10+ years minimum, if you're lucky).

On Friday, January 26th shitty was heard saying...

People in Ukraine are in fear for their life. Have you noticed that our migrants aren't coming from Ukraine?

Uh, people in Ukraine aren't escaping government corruption, presecution, violent crime rates, cartels, etc.; their country is being invaded by a fasist -- one that your boy Trump really looks up to & has extremely close ties to as well.


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You just circular logiced your 2nd position: "...who aren't elible to work". Well, then do that, make them eligible. It's not hard.

It is hard, because they don't have background checks. You can't hire people without checking their backgrounds unless you're hiring them to shovel shit.

That's some serious FUD. People escaping crime and prosecution aren't coming here to "do crimes" like the Orange fuhrer claims. They are
coming to work and try to make a better life for themselves. If it were even semi reasonable to get into the US legally, people would (and still try to do, though it takes 10+ years minimum, if you're lucky).

You can't speak for 10 million people. You're just generalizing in a very ignorant way. It doesn't take 10 years to get into the USA legally, especially not if you have a sponsor. Without a sponsor, you just need a passport. You're trying to bullshit the wrong man about this stuff because I've experienced it.

People in Ukraine are in fear for their life. Have you noticed that migrants aren't coming from Ukraine?

Uh, people in Ukraine aren't escaping government corruption, presecution, violent crime rates, cartels, etc.; their country is being invaded by a fasist -- one that your boy Trump really looks up to & has extremely
close ties to as well.

So they ain't brown enough, is what you're saying?

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shitty around Saturday, January 27th...

It is hard, because they don't have background checks. You can't hire people without checking their backgrounds unless you're hiring them to shovel shit.

Very few jobs actually require a background check..., but again, it's a pretty easy process to do. It's all 3rd party companies, you literally just pay them. Of coruse you need to be 'legal' first, which is the problem.


shitty around Saturday, January 27th...

You can't speak for 10 million people. You're just generalizing in a very ignorant way. It doesn't take 10 years to get into the USA legally, especially not if you have a sponsor. Without a sponsor, you just need a passport. You're trying to bullshit the wrong man about this stuff because I've experienced it.

lol what. It's been made increasingly complex to get a green card. I don't need to "speak for" 10 million people, the information is readily available.

Courts reponsible for this have been purposly defunded https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/21/us-immigration-courts-cases-backlog-understaffing

https://prospect.org/politics/2024-01-05-republicans-immigration-policy-fight


On Saturday, January 27th shitty said...

So they ain't brown enough, is what you're saying?

Where in the actual shit did you derive that from?

Let's look at some fun facts!
Net immigration is actually down -- 2022-2023, 1.1M: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/immigration-is-driving-the-nations-modest-post-pandemic-population-growth-new-census-data-shows

https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/1_Demographic%20Profiles/United%20States%20of%20America/Line%20Charts/10-Annual%20natural%20change%20and%20net%20migration.png

Without fixing our immigration, due to aging population, and decrease in birth rates, we're in a lot of trouble

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/gray-future-america-shifting-demographics-implications-immigration-reform

Immigrants have a much lower crime rate than US citizens

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0




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On 27 Jan 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

k9zw wrote to shitty <=-

It is really hard to hire anyone at minimum wage. We can't even hire kids in kids training approved roles at much less than 1.5x to 2x minimum. Somewhat makes the whole minimum wage concept moot in practice.

When you look at how the minimum wage has fallen behind inflation, it's
lost its function. If you increased it to match inflation it'd be 23 to
25 dollars an hour.

Would seem to depend on where for the amount.

And interestingly the free market in the end sets the level, not some administrative process or decree.

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people without checking their backgrounds unless you're hiring them t shovel shit.

Very few jobs actually require a background check..., but again, it's a pretty easy process to do. It's all 3rd party companies, you literally just pay them. Of coruse you need to be 'legal' first, which is the problem.

Employers who don't do background checks are putting their employees at risk.

lol what. It's been made increasingly complex to get a green card. I
don't need to "speak for" 10 million people, the information is readily available.

I don't see anybody complaining about it. Does it make any sense for you to complain about it? Taking permanent residency in a new country should and does involve background checks. The walk-ins being released into the USA will have a background check someday, but they're not getting it prior to entry, and you're neglecting how dangerous that is. You're also neglecting how unfair that is to all the "migrants" who came here through proper channels, with a visa, and a passport, and even a damn covid vaccine in hand; all things that your pals from the caravans accidentally left back home.

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On 29 Jan 2024, shitty said the following...

Employers who don't do background checks are putting their employees at risk.

That depends if the employer is legally aloowed to conduct the level of background check that is useful, and if they are legally allowed to consider "no information available" in their evaluation process.

The no information available game is used a fair bit.

lol what. It's been made increasingly complex to get a green card. I don't need to "speak for" 10 million people, the information is readi available.

Having a spouse who went through this and recently helping a friend's wife get a green card, the incremental changes in the last few decades were not very noticable.

Hving family that has don the Maple Leaf card process in Canada, and having personally done both temporary and permanent European equivilants to the USA Green Card, I found most of those undertakings roughly similar to the Green Card process, though always with a twist here and there.

Some USA changes are reactive to what other countries do. Green Cards didn't always expire, but to match the EU I believe now they have to renew every ten years. My British right to reside & work had to be renewed by being in Britain anually for a certain number of years before it became permanent. Those rules likely have changed.

My Spainish permit was perhaps the easiest to get at the time, but I think it expired at some point. In otherways they were petty, as at te time the system needed gratuities (bribes) to function.

Our friend's recent Green Card came through quickly. She had the provisional for about four months before the full Green Card was issued. Her process was similar to what we experienced years ago.

If you have the chance to see people take the next step and become citizens, I recommend it. Quite a moving undertaking. Federal court usually, and the wonderful mix of peoples is amazing.

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I don't see anybody complaining about it. Does it make any sense for you to complain about it? Taking permanent residency in a new country should and does involve background checks. The walk-ins being released into the USA will have a background check someday, but they're not getting it
prior to entry, and you're neglecting how dangerous that is. You're also neglecting how unfair that is to all the "migrants" who came here
through proper channels, with a visa, and a passport, and even a damn covid vaccine in hand; all things that your pals from the caravans accidentally left back home.

I have to say that I agree. I, however, am open to new legislation for legal immigration - but right now being an 'illegal immigrant' means NOTHING.

This was never OK.



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k9zw wrote to shitty <=-

Some USA changes are reactive to what other countries do. Green Cards didn't always expire, but to match the EU I believe now they have to
renew every ten years.

My wife is English and traveled on an old (yet valid) green card that
didn't have an expiration date. It raised eyebrows each time we
traveled. She's since started the process to replace it.

What I think is interesting is seeing countries offering "digital
work visas" for tech workers who bring outside funds into their
countries. It's a nice incentive to bring workers and outside wages
into the country. I wish something like that (and the possibility for
remote work from anywhere) existed when I was single, renting and in my
20s.

Although, common sense needs to apply - just read about one of the
popular spots - Medellin, Columbia. Except now digital tech workers are
getting jacked by attractive locals and waking up broke and
computerless. Who'd think the cocaine capital would have crime?



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On 30 Jan 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

My wife is English and traveled on an old (yet valid) green card that
didn't have an expiration date. It raised eyebrows each time we
traveled. She's since started the process to replace it.

My wife (also English with a non-expiring Green Card) kept that Green Card until she decided to become a US Citizen.

Until the second Bush administration there were some distinct tax advantages for her status.

The changes in tax rules ("what is a taxable person" changed) disappated those advantages, and she wanted to be certain she could maintain USA residency to be near our children if I were to predecease her, so she did her citizenship.

Like many converts and overly enthused, she trained to be an Election Worker to "get involved!"

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It is hard, because they don't have background checks. You can't hire people without checking their backgrounds unless you're hiring them t shovel shit.

Very few jobs actually require a background check..., but again, it's a pretty easy process to do. It's all 3rd party companies, you literally just pay them. Of coruse you need to be 'legal' first, which is the problem.

Only a shitty employer wouldn't do background checks on employees. I would
hate to work at a place like that. I like safety and security, and working
with people who obey the rules.

Good luck employing a bunch of international criminals.

lol what. It's been made increasingly complex to get a green card. I
don't need to "speak for" 10 million people, the information is readily available.

Good things come to people who wait, but people who are in too much of a rush ruin everything for everyone else.

Courts reponsible for this have been purposly defunded https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/21/us-immigration-courts-case log-understaffing

I don't know what you mean by this. I took a glance at the article, but I
don't know what you're saying about it. Defunded?

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Having a spouse who went through this and recently helping a friend's
wife get a green card, the incremental changes in the last few decades were not very noticable.

Lefties don't believe in real-life experiences. They prefer to let the TV do the thinking for them.

No matter what you tell them, if they didn't hear it on TV, then it just ain't true.

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through proper channels, with a visa, and a passport, and even a damn covid vaccine in hand; all things that your pals from the caravans accidentally left back home.

I have to say that I agree. I, however, am open to new legislation for legal immigration - but right now being an 'illegal immigrant' means NOTHING.

There is a trend with the Democrats changing the definition of "illegal."

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On 02 Feb 2024, shitty said the following...

Having a spouse who went through this and recently helping a friend's wife get a green card, the incremental changes in the last few decade were not very noticable.

Lefties don't believe in real-life experiences. They prefer to let the
TV do the thinking for them.

No matter what you tell them, if they didn't hear it on TV, then it just ain't true.

Source bias can be so strong that people lose their lives because they disbelieve what is happening infront of them.

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