• Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?

    From Shurato@618:300/50 to All on Monday, January 08, 2024 21:09:00
    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection in an internal network, to keep security. Right now, I'm doing that with Debian Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command isn't very well supported. Is there any alternative? I'm trying to get rid of my linux vm
    and move everything to Windows. The only thing I'm running in Linux aside
    from ssh is ezstream, and there is a windows app for that, I believe.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 05:23:57
    To: Shurato
    Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to All on Mon Jan 08 2024 09:09 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection in an internal network, to keep security.

    keep security how? from what? doing what?
    huh?

    Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command isn't very well supported. Is there any alternative?

    telnet is a protocol.

    from ssh is ezstream, and there is a windows app for that, I believe.

    okay internet says ezstream is a command line source client for icecast.

    and your subject line says
    " Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? "

    just about everything is wrong with your posting.
    you said you dont want to use telnet anymore right?

    anyways, install a ssh server and login that way.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Shurato on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 06:44:00
    Shurato wrote to All <=-

    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection in
    an internal network, to keep security. Right now, I'm doing that with Debian Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command isn't very well supported. Is there any alternative? I'm trying to get rid
    of my linux vm and move everything to Windows. The only thing I'm
    running in Linux aside from ssh is ezstream, and there is a windows app for that, I believe.

    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new console
    lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the SSH
    client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    It may kill Putty for most of my SSH use.

    There are a lot of third party SSH apps out there, but I used Putty for
    years (still do, in fact) and it's got some issues but it's second
    nature now.

    My biggest pet peeve - I'd like to be able to export my settings. I
    suppose I could run the portable version and copy the folder to/from
    other systems...



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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Shurato on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 10:01:19
    On 08 Jan 24 21:09:00, Shurato said the following to All:

    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection in an internal network, to keep security. Right now, I'm doing that with Debian Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command isn't very well supported. Is there any alternative? I'm trying to get rid of my linux vm

    I'm not quite sure I understand why you are doing SSH in an internal
    network, but Mtelnet is my favorite - one executable... others like using Syncterm, Net runner etc.

    Nick

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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 11:06:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Jas Hud said:

    To: Shurato Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? By: Shurato to All
    on Mon Jan 08 2024 09:09 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection in
    an
    internal network, to keep security.

    keep security how? from what? doing what? huh?

    Password and session sniffing.

    Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command isn't very
    well
    supported. Is there any alternative?

    telnet is a protocol.

    It's also an application. The windows 10 telnet application is a command
    line that I could start from ssh forcecommand, but it really doesn't look as good as this does from Linux.

    from ssh is ezstream, and there is a windows app for that, I believe.

    okay internet says ezstream is a command line source client for icecast.

    and your subject line says " Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? "

    just about everything is wrong with your posting. you said you dont
    want to use telnet anymore right?

    ezstream is relevant as I'm running that from Linux like I am ssh and telnet and want to switch everything to windows.

    anyways, install a ssh server and login that way.

    My BBS software doesn't support ssh. I'm using a linux shell with an ssh server that telnets to the bbs internally, so the telnet session isn't
    leaked.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 11:09:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Kurt Weiske said:

    Shurato wrote to All <=-

    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection
    in
    an internal network, to keep security. Right now, I'm doing that
    with
    Debian Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command
    isn't
    very well supported. Is there any alternative? I'm trying to get
    rid
    of my linux vm and move everything to Windows. The only thing I'm running in Linux aside from ssh is ezstream, and there is a windows
    app
    for that, I believe.

    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new console
    lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the SSH
    client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    It may kill Putty for most of my SSH use.

    I need something that is commandline based that could be started from an ssh Forcecommand statement, like I do in linux with the linux telnet client. I tried that with the windows telnet client, but it looks horrible. I guess
    I'll have to stick with doing this from linux.


    There are a lot of third party SSH apps out there, but I used Putty for years (still do, in fact) and it's got some issues but it's second
    nature now.

    My biggest pet peeve - I'd like to be able to export my settings. I
    suppose I could run the portable version and copy the folder to/from
    other systems...



    ... Remove specifics and convert to ambiguities
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    * Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (618:300/16)

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 11:10:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Nick Andre said:

    On 08 Jan 24 21:09:00, Shurato said the following to All:

    I'm looking for something I could use from within an ssh connection in
    an
    internal network, to keep security. Right now, I'm doing that with
    Debian
    Linux and forcecommand, but in windows, the telnet command isn't very
    well
    supported. Is there any alternative? I'm trying to get rid of my
    linux vm

    I'm not quite sure I understand why you are doing SSH in an internal network, but Mtelnet is my favorite - one executable... others like using Syncterm, Net runner etc.

    The telnet session is internal, the ssh session is external. I'll be running the telnet client from forcecommand from the ssh session, so it has to be command line based.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@618:500/24 to Shurato on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 15:49:01
    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new console
    lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the SSH
    client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    Mann's TelnetDoor works from a cmd line and you can do locals from it.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 17:16:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, T.J. Mcmillen said:

    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new console
    lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the SSH client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    Mann's TelnetDoor works from a cmd line and you can do locals from it.

    Thanks, I didn't think about that!

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 17:38:00
    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new console lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the SSH client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    Mann's TelnetDoor works from a cmd line and you can do locals from it.

    Requires a dropfile or username input if -L is used. I tried running it from ForceCommand but got access denied. Thanks, though! I've seen some mentions of plink, which is a putty command line. I'll look into that.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Shurato on Tuesday, January 09, 2024 17:45:00
    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new
    console
    lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the
    SSH
    client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    Mann's TelnetDoor works from a cmd line and you can do locals from
    it.

    Requires a dropfile or username input if -L is used. I tried running it from ForceCommand but got access denied. Thanks, though! I've seen
    some mentions of plink, which is a putty command line. I'll look
    into that.

    plinkx86.exe doesn't support ANSI, so that won't work.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 04:55:17
    To: Shurato
    Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Tue Jan 09 2024 11:06 am


    My BBS software doesn't support ssh. I'm using a linux shell with an ssh server that telnets to the bbs internally, so the telnet session isn't leaked.

    so you are only asking what telnet client you can use?
    just so you know, telnet isnt what people would call secure.

    telnet is a protocol.

    It's also an application. The windows 10 telnet application is a command

    telnet = protocol
    telnet client = application that uses protocol.

    okay internet says ezstream is a command line source client for icecast.


    ezstream is relevant as I'm running that from Linux like I am ssh and telnet and want to switch everything to windows.


    dude, speak english. so now you are looking for an icecast client alternative?


    also your bbs tagline says you support ssh
    https://i.imgur.com/wRFM6wX.png

    if you want security you could run a synchronet bbs and have ssh only access. then it could forward to your local telnet port on your elebbs bbs.

    it would just take minutes to set that up.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 04:57:09
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Kurt Weiske on Tue Jan 09 2024 11:09 am

    client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    It may kill Putty for most of my SSH use.

    I need something that is commandline based that could be started from an ssh Forcecommand statement, like I do in linux with the linux telnet client. I tried that with the windows telnet client, but it looks horrible. I guess I'll have to stick with doing this from linux.


    so why do you need to do this?
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 04:58:14
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Shurato on Tue Jan 09 2024 03:49 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Windows 10/11 and Windows Terminal seem pretty good, the new console
    lets you copy and paste more easily to/from windows apps, and the SSH client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    Mann's TelnetDoor works from a cmd line and you can do locals from it.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2

    syncterm can also be ran as a door.
    i still dont get what this dude is doing.
    is he trying to create a telnet out door?

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 16:40:52
    syncterm can also be ran as a door.
    i still dont get what this dude is doing.
    is he trying to create a telnet out door?

    no idea

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 19:54:00
    To: Shurato
    Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Tue
    Jan 09 2024 11:06 am


    My BBS software doesn't support ssh. I'm using a linux shell with an
    ssh
    server that telnets to the bbs internally, so the telnet session isn't leaked.

    so you are only asking what telnet client you can use? just so you
    know, telnet isnt what people would call secure.

    I know, the telnet is underneath the ssh connection, internally on my
    network, so it's not exposed.

    telnet is a protocol.

    It's also an application. The windows 10 telnet application is a
    command

    telnet = protocol telnet client = application that uses protocol.

    okay internet says ezstream is a command line source client for
    icecast.


    ezstream is relevant as I'm running that from Linux like I am ssh and
    telnet
    and want to switch everything to windows.


    dude, speak english. so now you are looking for an icecast client alternative?

    No! That was just conversational additive. I don't need that, I already
    know it exists. I'm trying to switch everything from linux to windows and
    I'm running ezstream under linux, instead of windows. That's all. I don't need help with that.

    also your bbs tagline says you support ssh
    https://i.imgur.com/wRFM6wX.png

    I have ssh from a linux machine, which then internally telnets to the bbs.
    It is secure, because it's within my internal network. I'm trying to do this from within windows, not linux.

    if you want security you could run a synchronet bbs and have ssh only access. then it could forward to your local telnet port on your elebbs bbs.

    No simpler than what I'm already doing.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 19:55:00
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? By: Shurato to Kurt Weiske
    on Tue Jan 09 2024 11:09 am

    client looks/feels like the Linux client.

    It may kill Putty for most of my SSH use.

    I need something that is commandline based that could be started from
    an ssh
    Forcecommand statement, like I do in linux with the linux telnet
    client. I
    tried that with the windows telnet client, but it looks horrible. I
    guess
    I'll have to stick with doing this from linux.


    so why do you need to do this?

    I don't, I want to for my users who are paranoid and want to use ssh instead
    of telnet. Everything I do is for users I don't have, not me. I'd just like to be able to do this from windows and get rid of my linux vm.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 19:57:00
    syncterm can also be ran as a door.
    i still dont get what this dude is doing. is he trying to create
    a telnet out door?

    no idea

    No! It's simple, I want to do ssh > telnet > bbs from within windows. Right now, I'm using a linux VM to handle the ssh part. The telnet client under linux works great, the telnet client under windows looks like crap. I'm already doing it; it already works. I just want to do it under windows and
    get rid of my linux vm.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 21:47:23
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Wed Jan 10 2024 07:55 pm

    so why do you need to do this?

    I don't, I want to for my users who are paranoid and want to use ssh instead of telnet. Everything I do is for users I don't have, not me. I'd just like to be able to do this from windows and get rid of my linux vm.

    use a program to pick up on ssh and forward to telnet.
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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 10, 2024 22:29:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Jas Hud said:

    To: Shurato Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? By: Shurato
    to Jas Hud on Wed Jan 10 2024 07:55 pm

    so why do you need to do this?

    I don't, I want to for my users who are paranoid and want to use ssh
    instead
    of telnet. Everything I do is for users I don't have, not me. I'd
    just
    like to be able to do this from windows and get rid of my linux vm.

    use a program to pick up on ssh and forward to telnet.

    That's what I've been looking for, but have been unable to find such a beast for Win32. I can do that flawlessly under Linux, but not Windows. I'm
    looking for something lean; not having to install yet another BBS software.
    I'm already running a session of mystic for MRC support.
    .

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Shurato on Thursday, January 11, 2024 03:19:49
    On 10 Jan 24 19:55:00, Shurato said the following to Jas Hud:

    I don't, I want to for my users who are paranoid and want to use ssh instead of telnet. Everything I do is for users I don't have, not me. I'd just lik to be able to do this from windows and get rid of my linux vm.

    In 25 years of offering telnet access I've never had one that ever wanted SSH.

    I really don't understand the fascination of any Sysop that wants to offer that. All of the convoluted Rube Goldberg in-betweenisms needed for a type
    of user that simply does not exist. Note that I said user... because what I do understand is the topic began on Fsx which itself is a Net almost entirely comprised of insufferable Linux Sysops. Not users... Sysops.

    When the idea was challenged on the merit the rebuttal was tech. Because
    Linux. Because we can, we must... offering something really only understood by another insufferable Linux Sysop. These are people who I guarantee they have never ran a board before, never had thousands of users or multiline systems
    in the 90's. But they're here now, they're Linux, and they know it all.

    No user calling a board prefers or even tries connecting via SSH. Only the insufferable Linux Sysop prefers this. And no, they are not paranoid users.
    Far from it... That "user" has a level of expectation and mannerism an average caller does not have.

    I wouldn't want such a user on my board anyway as right off the bat he feels
    a sense of techno-entitlement. Not ever realising that I could be watching at the console. So much for the "security" for mister-paranoid who probably would call once and vanish anyway. Who wants that?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Nick Andre on Thursday, January 11, 2024 04:52:32
    To: Nick Andre
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Shurato on Thu Jan 11 2024 03:19 am


    In 25 years of offering telnet access I've never had one that ever wanted SSH.


    yeah it's pretty rare but it does happen. It's usually when a semi tech savy who doesn't know much about bbses is invited onto a bbs. those are the guys that ask why no ssh access.

    sysops then provide that type of encrypted access.
    well i had a blind guy, just one blind guy and i created an entire menu
    set and color scheme for him. i guess it depends on how user friendly you want to be.

    i know t1ny had a secure connection, maybe it was via netserial? i'm not sure if he did it just to do it or if it was from requests.

    aaaaand linux generally runs servers well, and bbses are now servers. so that's probably why these guys start out using linux with their bbs.

    i prefer a dos or windows environment.
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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Thursday, January 11, 2024 10:07:39
    On 11 Jan 24 04:52:32, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    yeah it's pretty rare but it does happen. It's usually when a semi tech sa who doesn't know much about bbses is invited onto a bbs. those are the guys that ask why no ssh access.

    And I would be politely asking them why SSH access.

    I'm not jumping through hoops to provide a false sense of security which is what SSH is on a board. I see now on another Net that the amusing topic has morphed into now providing users an end-to-end encrypted BBS session.

    So... I'm expected to provide an encrypted protocol and now an encrypted session I cannot even see at the console. Get real, whose system is it anyway?

    The person that wants SSH on a board is the same person who happily pays for his groceries with an Rfid debit card. He cares only for the kewl-factor...

    aaaaand linux generally runs servers well, and bbses are now servers. so

    Not all Linux Sysops are arrogant. But some are and those are the ones who conjure up this type of sysadmin silliness. Because they can, they must.

    Over time it all because noise.... unoriginal noise conjured up at least
    once a year or so. When nobody takes the bait, that Sysop vanishes.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Nick Andre on Thursday, January 11, 2024 14:18:00
    On 10 Jan 24 19:55:00, Shurato said the following to Jas Hud:

    I don't, I want to for my users who are paranoid and want to use ssh
    instead
    of telnet. Everything I do is for users I don't have, not me. I'd
    just lik
    to be able to do this from windows and get rid of my linux vm.

    In 25 years of offering telnet access I've never had one that ever wanted SSH.

    I really don't understand the fascination of any Sysop that wants to offer that. All of the convoluted Rube Goldberg in-betweenisms needed for a type of user that simply does not exist. Note that I said user... because what I do understand is the topic began on Fsx which itself is a Net
    almost entirely comprised of insufferable Linux Sysops. Not users... Sysops.

    When the idea was challenged on the merit the rebuttal was tech. Because Linux. Because we can, we must... offering something really only understood by another insufferable Linux Sysop. These are people
    who I guarantee they have never ran a board before, never had
    thousands of users or multiline systems in the 90's. But they're
    here now, they're Linux, and they know it all.

    No user calling a board prefers or even tries connecting via SSH. Only the insufferable Linux Sysop prefers this. And no, they are not paranoid users. Far from it... That "user" has a level of expectation
    and mannerism an average caller does not have.

    I wouldn't want such a user on my board anyway as right off the bat he feels a sense of techno-entitlement. Not ever realising that I could
    be watching at the console. So much for the "security" for
    mister-paranoid who probably would call once and vanish anyway.
    Who wants that?

    Honestly I have very little in my life other than my BBS. It gives me something to do, when otherwise I would have nothing. Even for users I don't have, I would go that extra mile. Like adding email or a web interface or my own proxy (when the ftelnet proxy wouldn't work). It gives me something to
    do, even though it's not for me.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@618:500/24 to Shurato on Thursday, January 11, 2024 15:55:02
    no idea

    No! It's simple, I want to do ssh > telnet > bbs from within windows. Righ

    I honestly didn't care, I just wanted to write something. <G>

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@618:500/24 to Nick Andre on Thursday, January 11, 2024 16:00:35
    I wouldn't want such a user on my board anyway as right off the bat he feel a sense of techno-entitlement. Not ever realising that I could be watching the console. So much for the "security" for mister-paranoid who probably wo call once and vanish anyway. Who wants that?

    Watching you type "P A S S W O R D" and giggling uncontrolably. As Dave Chappelle put it .. "Got ya bitch!" hahahhahah

    another insufferable Linux Sysop. These are people who I guarantee they hav never ran a board before, never had thousands of users or multiline systems

    I'll lay money on it. I was just thinking today, that these so-called SSH people on linux BBS's ... want to make it like it was. Well, if you want to make it like it was run DOS (OS/2, Windows), because that is what 1000000 doors and programs were wrote on and is what RAN. Linux was around back then, few used it.

    Then they go and complain there is nothing native door wise to run, well no shit, everything that was done, HAS been done. Why do it for some stupid other OS .... while we're at it, why not be cool and run a MAC too .... don't even get me started on apple pile of shit phones and computers.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to T.J. Mcmillen on Thursday, January 11, 2024 18:41:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, T.J. Mcmillen said:

    no idea

    No! It's simple, I want to do ssh > telnet > bbs from within windows.
    Righ

    I honestly didn't care, I just wanted to write something. <G>

    LMAO! Fair enough, in this case same here.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Friday, January 12, 2024 08:01:32
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Nick Andre on Thu Jan 11 2024 02:18 pm


    Honestly I have very little in my life other than my BBS. It gives me something to do, when otherwise I would have nothing. Even for users I don't have, I would go that extra mile. Like adding email or a web interface or my own proxy (when the ftelnet proxy wouldn't work). It gives me something to
    do, even though it's not for me.


    are you mobile? i suggest you go and 'server others', through a church or programs. it's rewarding and keeps you busy.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Saturday, January 13, 2024 11:55:12
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Wed Jan 10 2024 10:29 pm


    That's what I've been looking for, but have been unable to find such a beast for Win32. I can do that flawlessly under Linux, but not Windows. I'm looking for something lean; not having to install yet another BBS software. I'm already running a session of mystic for MRC support.

    you're going to have to run another program. you dont want to 'install' another bbs software. that's holding you back.

    you'll find something to use if you look.
    see if netserial does it. i havent used it in years, though.

    anyways, open up your mind.
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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Saturday, January 13, 2024 14:17:00
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? By: Shurato to Jas Hud on
    Wed Jan 10 2024 10:29 pm


    That's what I've been looking for, but have been unable to find such a
    beast
    for Win32. I can do that flawlessly under Linux, but not Windows. I'm looking for something lean; not having to install yet another BBS
    software.
    I'm already running a session of mystic for MRC support.

    you're going to have to run another program. you dont want to 'install' another bbs software. that's holding you back.

    you'll find something to use if you look. see if netserial does it.
    i havent used it in years, though.

    anyways, open up your mind.

    Thanks. Linux does it so easily... I was just hoping there was a windows command line telnet client that would handle ansi well; that's all I need.
    It's working now, I won't mess with it much further.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Havok@618:250/21 to T.J. Mcmillen on Saturday, January 13, 2024 17:57:31
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Nick Andre on Thu Jan 11 2024 04:00 pm

    Then they go and complain there is nothing native door wise to run, well no shit, everything that was done, HAS been done. Why do it for some stupid other OS .... while we're at it, why not be cool and run a MAC too .... don't even get me started on apple pile of shit phones and computers.

    Laughing you sure you got everything off your chest?

    I most likely am the only person here that really liked his Windows phone.
    Being Iphone is nothing more a spyware device I may at long last look for
    no Apple or Google phones.


    <|04Hav|12o|04k|07/>
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Anarchy BBS - The Villages,FL (618:250/21)
  • From Chris Eldridge@618:250/27 to Havok on Saturday, January 13, 2024 17:37:13
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Havok to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Jan 13 2024 05:57 pm

    I most likely am the only person here that really liked his Windows phone.

    Surprisingly you're note alone. I absolute adored Windows Phone when I used it heavily 10 years ago. Eventually did go iPhone myself after brief stints with Android, but if Windows Phone had grown (and the phone build quality from Nokia was a little better, had 2 for 2 on power button failures) I'd still be using it I'm sure.
    _____
    xadara.com | final-zone.net
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Win32
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS | final-zone.net (618:250/27)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Havok on Saturday, January 13, 2024 22:39:31
    On 13 Jan 24 17:57:31, Havok said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    I most likely am the only person here that really liked his Windows phone.

    Nope, I too liked the Nokia Windows phone I had for awhile. Outlook "just worked" as I have multiple Exchange email accounts. It was really slick. Unfortunately I had to move on from that to Apple...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Sunday, January 14, 2024 05:22:44
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Sat Jan 13 2024 02:17 pm

    anyways, open up your mind.

    Thanks. Linux does it so easily... I was just hoping there was a windows command line telnet client that would handle ansi well; that's all I need. It's working now, I won't mess with it much further.



    uh, okay dude. pretty sure you wanted more than a telnet client that handles ansi.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Havok on Sunday, January 14, 2024 05:24:31
    To: Havok
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Havok to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Jan 13 2024 05:57 pm


    I most likely am the only person here that really liked his Windows phone.
    Being Iphone is nothing more a spyware device I may at long last look for
    no Apple or Google phones.


    i know a guy that enjoyed his windows phone. it was jay hodges aka thorox.
    he did the backalley igms for lord.

    i had an iphone for work but i just setup forwarding to my android phone.
    i can't stand using iphones.
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  • From BitByter@618:100/2 to Havok on Sunday, January 14, 2024 01:03:35
    Hello Havok!

    13 Jan 24 17:57, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

    I most likely am the only person here that really liked his Windows phone. Being Iphone is nothing more a spyware device I may at long
    last look for no Apple or Google phones.

    You do realize that Google has it's greedy little paws all over Android, right? It will be close to impossible to avoid using both iOS and Android.

    BitByter

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20230826
    * Origin: Phoenix BBS * phoenix.bnbbbs.net (618:100/2)
  • From Havok@618:250/21 to Chris Eldridge on Sunday, January 14, 2024 15:16:25
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Chris Eldridge to Havok on Sat Jan 13 2024 05:37 pm

    Surprisingly you're note alone. I absolute adored Windows Phone when I used it heavily 10 years ago. Eventually did go iPhone myself after brief stints with Android, but if Windows Phone had grown (and the phone build quality from Nokia was a little better, had 2 for 2 on power button failures) I'd still be using it I'm sure.

    Agreed, what I could never figure out was the normal person in the US
    anyway they used or still use Windows 10 and the phone was based on
    the Windows 10 GUI why it didn't go over more then it did!

    Just my thought anyway...


    <|04Hav|12o|04k|07/>
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Anarchy BBS - The Villages,FL (618:250/21)
  • From Havok@618:250/21 to Jas Hud on Sunday, January 14, 2024 15:18:38
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Havok on Sun Jan 14 2024 05:24 am

    i know a guy that enjoyed his windows phone. it was jay hodges aka thorox. he did the backalley igms for lord.

    Well I would also and did for a while but the only thing is
    all the app's are gone or not supported.


    <|04Hav|12o|04k|07/>
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Anarchy BBS - The Villages,FL (618:250/21)
  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Nick Andre on Monday, January 15, 2024 04:08:07
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Shurato on Tue Jan 09 2024 10:01 am

    I'm not quite sure I understand why you are doing SSH in an internal network, but Mtelnet is my favorite - one executable... others like using Syncterm, Net runner etc.


    Captain paranoia speaking: with so much IoT crap running in homes right now, it is often easier to ensure your chinesse light bulbs don't spy on you by using encrypted tunnels within your LAN than by any other method (say, static ARP over a wired switched network).

    When I was younger I had my LAN computers talk to each other over IPSEC. I set it up only for fun, but it worked quite well.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (618:250/24)
  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Nick Andre on Monday, January 15, 2024 04:13:26
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Shurato on Thu Jan 11 2024 03:19 am

    No user calling a board prefers or even tries connecting via SSH. Only the insufferable Linux Sysop prefers this. And no, they are not paranoid users. Far from it... That "user" has a level of expectation and mannerism an avera caller does not have.


    I am not so sure.

    If you are connecting a board over Tor, SSH is much safer to torify (and less hackish). I often connect to boards over SSH myself.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
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    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (618:250/24)
  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Arelor on Monday, January 15, 2024 09:06:24
    Arelor wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    If you are connecting a board over Tor, SSH is much safer to torify
    (and less hackish). I often connect to boards over SSH myself.

    I prefer SSH also simply for the privacy aspect. While in the hospital, I
    am using free wiFi provided by the US federal government and cannot use a
    VPN (they have that blocked, naturally). I suppose I could use my phone's
    WiFi hotspot if I am worried about it but still, SSH would be nice to have.

    Had I thought about it, I could have set up SSH on a Linux box on my LAN and then telneted to the BBS from within it but at the time, I had to get to the
    ER ASAP.

    -- Sean

    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (618:618/1)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Arelor on Monday, January 15, 2024 09:42:02
    On 15 Jan 24 04:13:26, Arelor said the following to Nick Andre:

    If you are connecting a board over Tor, SSH is much safer to torify (and les hackish). I often connect to boards over SSH myself.

    My point was that it takes a special kind of person to call into a board in 2024; more special if that person cares to remember a custom telnet port.

    But its a hilarious kind of "special" to have a user demanding SSH, while oblivious to how a Sysop can watch everything at the console, a user who
    just calls once only and does nothing different than the telnet user.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Arelor on Monday, January 15, 2024 09:45:11
    On 15 Jan 24 04:08:07, Arelor said the following to Nick Andre:

    Captain paranoia speaking: with so much IoT crap running in homes right now, is often easier to ensure your chinesse light bulbs don't spy on you by usin encrypted tunnels within your LAN than by any other method (say, static ARP over a wired switched network).

    If one uses IoT lightbulbs, sure...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Sunday, January 14, 2024 12:14:00
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Jas Hud said:

    To: Shurato Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client? By: Shurato
    to Jas Hud on Sat Jan 13 2024 02:17 pm

    anyways, open up your mind.

    Thanks. Linux does it so easily... I was just hoping there was a
    windows
    command line telnet client that would handle ansi well; that's all I
    need.
    It's working now, I won't mess with it much further.



    uh, okay dude. pretty sure you wanted more than a telnet client that handles ansi.

    Nope, that's all I wanted. It has to be a command line based one, though.
    I've already got the ssh part figured out, but I can't get a telnet client started from that session that handles ansi.

    ---
    Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
    (ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


    ---
    * Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (618:300/50)
  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Nick Andre on Monday, January 15, 2024 15:42:04
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Arelor on Mon Jan 15 2024 09:45 am

    If one uses IoT lightbulbs, sure...

    Sad fact is that in a regular home today, the Captain Paranoias of the world must share their networks with people who purchases all sort of useless IoT crap.

    I tend to place all the suspicious stuff in their own network segments or LANs. I even have two wireless networks at home: one for regular clients and one for suspicious clients. THe suspicious clients don't even get access to the Internet.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (618:250/24)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Arelor on Monday, January 15, 2024 22:37:39
    On 15 Jan 24 15:42:04, Arelor said the following to Nick Andre:

    Sad fact is that in a regular home today, the Captain Paranoias of the world must share their networks with people who purchases all sort of useless IoT crap.

    In this family I am unofficially the IT department... I share your pain!

    I tend to place all the suspicious stuff in their own network segments or LA I even have two wireless networks at home: one for regular clients and one f suspicious clients. THe suspicious clients don't even get access to the Internet.

    Thats very similar to what I did with Pfsense and some IP security cameras.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 05:09:46
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Sun Jan 14 2024 12:14 pm


    uh, okay dude. pretty sure you wanted more than a telnet client that handles ansi.

    Nope, that's all I wanted. It has to be a command line based one, though. I've already got the ssh part figured out, but I can't get a telnet client started from that session that handles ansi.

    yeah okay. it's all in my head.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Arelor on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 05:11:30
    To: Arelor
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Arelor to Nick Andre on Mon Jan 15 2024 03:42 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Arelor on Mon Jan 15 2024 09:45 am

    If one uses IoT lightbulbs, sure...

    Sad fact is that in a regular home today, the Captain Paranoias of the world must share their networks with people who purchases all sort of useless IoT crap.

    I tend to place all the suspicious stuff in their own network segments or LANs. I even have two wireless networks at home: one for regular clients and one for suspicious clients. THe suspicious clients don't even get access to the Internet.


    i have some device i'm trying to hunt down that can be controlled by
    the switch app on my phone. it's some led light. maybe it's at the neighbor's but i think the first way it calls out is bluetooth and then i connect and pair it with my wifi to control it.

    anyways, weird shit.

    and why do you have wifi access with no internet access? whats the point.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 06:19:42
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Arelor on Tue Jan 16 2024 05:11 am

    and why do you have wifi access with no internet access? whats the point.

    Say you have a network printer you want to connect to your LAN over wifi, so people can sent print jobs to it from their computers, but the manufacturer is known for bullshit firmware upgrades which happen automatically over the Internet. If you connect it to its own Network behind a firewall that denies WLAN access to it, you will be able to use the printer withoutn risking it calling home.

    Same idea applies to NAS appliances, power inverters and other cheap chinesse junk. You may need to connect to them from your computer, but you surely don't need them to connect over the Internet.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (618:250/24)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Arelor on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 08:49:11
    On 16 Jan 24 06:19:42, Arelor said the following to Jas Hud:

    Same idea applies to NAS appliances, power inverters and other cheap chiness junk. You may need to connect to them from your computer, but you surely don need them to connect over the Internet.

    Thats exactly my home network... Internet only for whats needed.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 08:43:45
    On 16 Jan 24 05:11:30, Jas Hud said the following to Arelor:

    and why do you have wifi access with no internet access? whats the point.

    Wifi IP cameras that talk to a local DVR do not ever require Internet.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Arelor on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 07:54:29
    To: Arelor
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Arelor to Jas Hud on Tue Jan 16 2024 06:19 am


    and why do you have wifi access with no internet access? whats the point.

    Say you have a network printer you want to connect to your LAN over wifi, so people can sent print jobs to it from their computers, but the manufacturer is known for bullshit firmware upgrades which happen automatically over the Internet. If you connect it to its own Network behind a firewall that denies WLAN access to it, you will be able to use the printer withoutn risking it calling home.

    Well i mean for your customers. i suggest you post an email address that
    they can email files for printing.

    I wouldn't let any outsider access any network.
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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 11:51:20
    On 16 Jan 24 07:54:29, Jas Hud said the following to Arelor:

    Well i mean for your customers. i suggest you post an email address that they can email files for printing.

    If this thread were actually about his company with customers - which it was not - and if he didn't care about security or confidentiality or he hired a very lazy tech with no cert flying by the seat of his pants... sure, why not.

    I'm sure he wouldn't need me to tell him that at any company valuing security where a central printer/copier is involved, the employee's printed document
    is spooled encrypted to the copier. The employee may only retrieve the job
    by actually going over to the copier keypad; sometimes with 2FA.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (618:500/24)
  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 13:43:50
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Arelor on Tue Jan 16 2024 07:54 am

    Well i mean for your customers. i suggest you post an email address that they can email files for printing.

    I wouldn't let any outsider access any network.

    Oh, I was speaking about my home network here.

    --
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 13:44:48
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Arelor on Tue Jan 16 2024 07:54 am

    Well i mean for your customers. i suggest you post an email address that they can email files for printing.

    I wouldn't let any outsider access any network.

    The "people" sending print jobs to the printer would be my family, mind you :-P

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 19:02:36
    To: Nick Andre
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Tue Jan 16 2024 08:43 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    On 16 Jan 24 05:11:30, Jas Hud said the following to Arelor:

    and why do you have wifi access with no internet access? whats the point.

    Wifi IP cameras that talk to a local DVR do not ever require Internet.


    i thought he said he had wifi up for customers to use.

    And now i know i can rob your house and just burn it down because your cameras dont record off site!
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 19:07:18
    To: Nick Andre
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Tue Jan 16 2024 11:51 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    On 16 Jan 24 07:54:29, Jas Hud said the following to Arelor:

    Well i mean for your customers. i suggest you post an email address that they can email files for printing.

    If this thread were actually about his company with customers - which it was

    this thread is about 'Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?'

    If this thread were actually about his company with customers - which it was not - and if he didn't care about security or confidentiality or he hired a very lazy tech with no cert flying by the seat of his pants... sure, why not.


    he says he provides network access to suspicious clients but they don't have internet access on their wifi.
    https://i.imgur.com/EfJFU2d.png

    I'm sure he wouldn't need me to tell him that at any company valuing security where a central printer/copier is involved, the employee's printed document
    is spooled encrypted to the copier. The employee may only retrieve the job by actually going over to the copier keypad; sometimes with 2FA.


    i doubt this happens much.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Arelor on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 19:07:56
    To: Arelor
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Arelor to Jas Hud on Tue Jan 16 2024 01:43 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Arelor on Tue Jan 16 2024 07:54 am

    Well i mean for your customers. i suggest you post an email address that they can email files for printing.

    I wouldn't let any outsider access any network.

    Oh, I was speaking about my home network here.


    when you say suspicious customers do you mean actual hardware and not customers? i thought you ran a store?
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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 06:10:39
    On 16 Jan 24 19:02:36, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    And now i know i can rob your house and just burn it down because your came dont record off site!

    Please read carefully.

    The cameras do not have Internet access. I didn't say my DVR didn't.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 06:11:10
    On 16 Jan 24 19:07:18, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    he says he provides network access to suspicious clients but they don't hav internet access on their wifi.

    And your problem with that was..... ?

    Nick

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to NICK ANDRE on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 09:48:00
    And now i know i can rob your house and just burn it down because your came
    dont record off site!

    Please read carefully.

    The cameras do not have Internet access. I didn't say my DVR didn't.

    I hope Jas re-read that before he took off for Canada with the matches and gasoline. :D

    Mike


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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Arelor on Tuesday, January 16, 2024 20:43:04
    Arelor wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Say you have a network printer you want to connect to your LAN over
    wifi, so people can sent print jobs to it from their computers, but the manufacturer is known for bullshit firmware upgrades which happen automatically over the Internet.

    *cough*HP*cough*

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 11:02:37
    Mike Powell wrote to NICK ANDRE <=-

    I hope Jas re-read that before he took off for Canada with the matches
    and gasoline. :D

    Obligatory video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eC35LoF4U

    XD

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 10:41:08
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Tel
    By: Mike Powell to NICK ANDRE on Wed Jan 17 2024 09:48 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    And now i know i can rob your house and just burn it down because your came
    dont record off site!

    Please read carefully.

    The cameras do not have Internet access. I didn't say my DVR didn't.

    I hope Jas re-read that before he took off for Canada with the matches and gasoline. :D


    he's just making it up as he goes along.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 13:29:39
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 16 2024 07:07 pm

    he says he provides network access to suspicious clients but they don't have internet access on their wifi.
    https://i.imgur.com/EfJFU2d.png

    I meant wifi clients, not customers.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 13:31:52
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Jas Hud to Arelor on Tue Jan 16 2024 07:07 pm

    when you say suspicious customers do you mean actual hardware and not customers? i thought you ran a store?

    I no longer run a brick and mortar store. The neighbourhood it was located in collapsed. Every business in it is closed now. It is all phone and web orders now.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Nick Andre on Thursday, January 18, 2024 08:05:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    I'm sure he wouldn't need me to tell him that at any company valuing security where a central printer/copier is involved, the employee's printed document is spooled encrypted to the copier. The employee may
    only retrieve the job by actually going over to the copier keypad; sometimes with 2FA.

    At one of my last gigs, we had something called "follow me" printing.
    You'd use your security badge to badge into any printer and the print
    job would show up there. I managed a dozen offices around the country
    (and 5 in the local area), being able to print with just a badge from
    anywhere was pretty damn cool.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Digimaus on Thursday, January 18, 2024 08:07:00
    Digimaus wrote to Arelor <=-

    Say you have a network printer you want to connect to your LAN over
    wifi, so people can sent print jobs to it from their computers, but the manufacturer is known for bullshit firmware upgrades which happen automatically over the Internet.

    *cough*HP*cough*

    And now, they're automatically pushing the HP Smart app with Windows
    updates! I don't have an HP printer in my environment, the last printer
    I did was an HP inkjet 500, which is still running somewhere to this
    day. When they were Hewlett-Packard, and built printers like tanks.



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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, January 18, 2024 12:20:30
    On 18 Jan 24 08:05:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    At one of my last gigs, we had something called "follow me" printing.
    You'd use your security badge to badge into any printer and the print
    job would show up there. I managed a dozen offices around the country
    (and 5 in the local area), being able to print with just a badge from anywhere was pretty damn cool.

    Yes I've worked in a place like that as well. Pretty sure they were Xerox's.

    Nick

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to Digimaus on Thursday, January 18, 2024 13:36:06
    Mike Powell wrote to NICK ANDRE <=-

    I hope Jas re-read that before he took off for Canada with the matches and gasoline. :D

    Obligatory video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eC35LoF4U

    XD

    LOL, the Talking Heads were something while they lasted.

    Mike
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, January 18, 2024 16:23:26
    printer I did was an HP inkjet 500, which is still running somewhere
    to this day. When they were Hewlett-Packard, and built printers like tanks.

    I had a DeskJet 500 and I regret getting rid of it. Built like a tank and
    very reliable.

    -- Sean

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@618:500/24 to Mike Powell on Thursday, January 18, 2024 16:34:43
    LOL, the Talking Heads were something while they lasted.

    They got a new cd out. I guess it's a bunch of artists singing their songs. Called "Twice in a life time" I think.

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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Sean Dennis on Thursday, January 18, 2024 22:57:46
    On 18 Jan 24 16:23:26, Sean Dennis said the following to Kurt Weiske:

    I had a DeskJet 500 and I regret getting rid of it. Built like a tank and very reliable.

    I say the same thing now about Pantum printers. A little foreign company that built a VERY reliable laser printer with good drivers.

    Not like that stupid Xerox Workcenter 6027 which was the biggest pile of crap ever produced by a world-renowned company. What an unbelievable pile of
    garbage which broke down conveniently after its warranty.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Friday, January 19, 2024 08:17:41
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Re: Alternative Win32 Telnet Client?
    By: Sean Dennis to Kurt Weiske on Thu Jan 18 2024 04:23 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    printer I did was an HP inkjet 500, which is still running somewhere
    to this day. When they were Hewlett-Packard, and built printers like tanks.

    I had a DeskJet 500 and I regret getting rid of it. Built like a tank and very reliable.


    i've never liked printers. despite my love of computers and hardware, i never liked printers one bit! and i always print at work.
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