I haven't had any success finding a Win32 binary for sed newer than 4.2.1.
Does anyone have a link? All I could find were pages without links or 64 bit binaries. I'm trying to get a batch file to work with fastecho to add TZUTC kludges, but it doesn't work with my version. For some reason, it doesn't support surrounding the command with ' and doesnt' seem to support \x0D or
any other hex values...

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Hello Shurato,

Wednesday January 03 2024 13:23, you wrote to All:

I haven't had any success finding a Win32 binary for sed newer than
4.2.1. Does anyone have a link? All I could find were pages without
links or 64 bit binaries. I'm trying to get a batch file to work with fastecho to add TZUTC kludges, but it doesn't work with my version.
For some reason, it doesn't support surrounding the command with ' and doesnt' seem to support \x0D or any other hex values...

Chocolatey has sed 4.9 available if you use it (and you should).

"choco install sed" will do it.

If you aren't using Chocolatey with Windows, you should be. It's a package manager for Windows like apt or rpm.

https://www.chocolatey.org

https://community.chocolatey.org/packages?q=sed

Found that in the first Bing search I ran though I knew Choco would have it.
-- Sean

... Domino's Bread Bowl Pasta cause twice the carbs is better.
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* In a message originally to Shurato, Sean Dennis said:

Hello Shurato,

Wednesday January 03 2024 13:23, you wrote to All:

I haven't had any success finding a Win32 binary for sed newer than 4.2.1. Does anyone have a link? All I could find were pages without links or 64 bit binaries. I'm trying to get a batch file to work with fastecho to add TZUTC kludges, but it doesn't work with my version.
For some reason, it doesn't support surrounding the command with ' and doesnt' seem to support \x0D or any other hex values...

Chocolatey has sed 4.9 available if you use it (and you should).

"choco install sed" will do it.

If you aren't using Chocolatey with Windows, you should be. It's a
package manager for Windows like apt or rpm.

https://www.chocolatey.org

https://community.chocolatey.org/packages?q=sed

Found that in the first Bing search I ran though I knew Choco would have
it. -- Sean

Thanks! I'll look at that when I get back from the Dentist appt I have in about 30 minutes...

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Hello Shurato,

Wednesday January 03 2024 13:23, you wrote to All:

I haven't had any success finding a Win32 binary for sed newer than 4.2.1. Does anyone have a link? All I could find were pages without links or 64 bit binaries. I'm trying to get a batch file to work with fastecho to add TZUTC kludges, but it doesn't work with my version.
For some reason, it doesn't support surrounding the command with ' and doesnt' seem to support \x0D or any other hex values...

Chocolatey has sed 4.9 available if you use it (and you should).

"choco install sed" will do it.

If you aren't using Chocolatey with Windows, you should be. It's a package manager for Windows like apt or rpm.

https://www.chocolatey.org

https://community.chocolatey.org/packages?q=sed

Doesn't Support Windows 7. Win 10 is too bloated for just a BBS os.

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Hello Shurato,

Thursday January 04 2024 09:50, you wrote to me:

Doesn't Support Windows 7. Win 10 is too bloated for just a BBS os.

Good luck finding any modern software for Win 7 unless you compile it yourself.

Maybe someone in Micronet could compile a version for you?

-- Sean

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On 04 Jan 24 09:50:00, Shurato said the following to Sean Dennis:

Doesn't Support Windows 7. Win 10 is too bloated for just a BBS os.

My board has remained on XP for decades now for that reason and how NTVDM became broken either in Vista or 7. I can't prove it but am convinced it is.

Weird stuff like some doors crashing that never crashed before, mailer inexplicably closing... none of these problems happen on the XP instance.

Nick

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On 4 Jan 24 19:21, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

Win7 did ... the reason I had to do a hot fix release of 1.19a YEARS ago because RG wouldn't load anymore with some of the changes we did without a work around wrote in.

I searched for a bit to find something, anything that documented changes with NTVDM over time to no avail. At the very least if the changes were documented by M$ what these were; I could of easily reworked or patched things here to make it all work on 7 or 10.

I do remember testing code on 10 before and after some large update that
really sent DOS apps into a tailspin. This was on the LTSC release without any bloatware crap, not even Defender.

Nick

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My board has remained on XP for decades now for that reason and how NTVDM became broken either in Vista or 7. I can't prove it but am convinced it is

Weird stuff like some doors crashing that never crashed before, mailer inexplicably closing... none of these problems happen on the XP instance.

Win7 did ... the reason I had to do a hot fix release of 1.19a YEARS ago because RG wouldn't load anymore with some of the changes we did without a work around wrote in.

I just went back to Win7 (cause I didn't feel lik hunting for drivers for WinXP to get stuff working -- since' the system is on it's own and not vm) because Win10's NTVDM got changed AGAIN in one of the last few updates causing some of the older doors not to be able to read a cmd line for where the drop file wise. I load it in Win7, worked fine. Win10, just quit and errored out, even tho it worked months before hand. Sigh.

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* In a message originally to Shurato, Sean Dennis said:

Hello Shurato,

Thursday January 04 2024 09:50, you wrote to me:

Doesn't Support Windows 7. Win 10 is too bloated for just a BBS os.

Good luck finding any modern software for Win 7 unless you compile it yourself.

Maybe someone in Micronet could compile a version for you?

If it's win32, it should work under Windows 7. If the win32 binary exists
for win10, it would probably run under windows 7. It's just that the power shell commands don't work with win7 powershell using the choclatey interface.
I guess I could upgrade to windows 10 32bit, but I like the slimmed requirements of win7 and don't have it open to the wild, only port
forwarded to the various bbs related servers.

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Win7 did ... the reason I had to do a hot fix release of 1.19a YEARS ago because RG wouldn't load anymore with some of the changes we did without a work around wrote in.

I searched for a bit to find something, anything that documented changes wi NTVDM over time to no avail. At the very least if the changes were document by M$ what these were; I could of easily reworked or patched things here to make it all work on 7 or 10.

I do remember testing code on 10 before and after some large update that really sent DOS apps into a tailspin. This was on the LTSC release without bloatware crap, not even Defender.

I know ... I remember people calling me retarded when I said Windows update is the reason for this release because I woke up the next morning and loaded the BBS and it would't load. And guess what, Windows updated over night. Hmmm ... yup, I'm the fool.

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* In a message originally to Shurato, Sean Dennis said:

Hello Shurato,

Wednesday January 03 2024 13:23, you wrote to All:

I haven't had any success finding a Win32 binary for sed newer than 4.2.1. Does anyone have a link? All I could find were pages without links or 64 bit binaries. I'm trying to get a batch file to work with fastecho to add TZUTC kludges, but it doesn't work with my version.
For some reason, it doesn't support surrounding the command with ' and doesnt' seem to support \x0D or any other hex values...

Chocolatey has sed 4.9 available if you use it (and you should).

"choco install sed" will do it.

If you aren't using Chocolatey with Windows, you should be. It's a
package manager for Windows like apt or rpm.

https://www.chocolatey.org

https://community.chocolatey.org/packages?q=sed

Found that in the first Bing search I ran though I knew Choco would have
it. -- Sean

Ok, I tried to install Win10 32 bit, but the ntvdm kept crashing. It took me forever to get the backup back to where it was, I had made a mess of
things... I'm back on Win7 32 bit for now. I might try again tomorrow, if
you think it's worth the upgrade and my dos programs will still work.

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On 4 Jan 24 21:29, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

I know ... I remember people calling me retarded when I said Windows update the reason for this release because I woke up the next morning and loaded t BBS and it would't load. And guess what, Windows updated over night. Hmmm ... yup, I'm the fool.

I have the same related problem with my Exchange VM now. "Windows Modules Installer" task after an update completely utterly hogs the CPU, never ends unless its terminated. Its beyond my patience after spending MANY nights with the supposed M$ "fixes". Its now just killed when it tries to run...

Nick

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Ok, I tried to install Win10 32 bit, but the ntvdm kept crashing. It
you think it's worth the upgrade and my dos programs will still work.

I run windows 10 32bit on this VM for the BBS and have no issues with dos programs or ntvdm crashing. Ran a dos BBS for years on it as well.

|09S|11hawn


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To: Shurato
Re: sed 4.9+ for Win32?
By: Shurato to Sean Dennis on Thu Jan 04 2024 09:50 am

https://community.chocolatey.org/packages?q=sed

Doesn't Support Windows 7. Win 10 is too bloated for just a BBS os.

windows 10 is not bloated and can run a bbs just fine.
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* In a message originally to Shurato, Jas Hud said:

To: Shurato Re: sed 4.9+ for Win32? By: Shurato to Sean Dennis on Thu
Jan 04 2024 09:50 am

https://community.chocolatey.org/packages?q=sed

Doesn't Support Windows 7. Win 10 is too bloated for just a BBS os.

windows 10 is not bloated and can run a bbs just fine.

I went to 1.8gb being used but after setting the console to legacy mode my ntvdm stopped crashing. we'll see if the upgrade to sed 4.9 fixes my
problem. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Ok, I tried to install Win10 32 bit, but the ntvdm kept crashing. It you think it's worth the upgrade and my dos programs will still work.

I run windows 10 32bit on this VM for the BBS and have no issues with dos programs or ntvdm crashing. Ran a dos BBS for years on it as well.

I had to set the console to legacy and it stopped crashing. It looks to be pretty stable, thanks for the suggestion!

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Hello Shurato,

Thursday January 04 2024 21:13, you wrote to me:

Ok, I tried to install Win10 32 bit, but the ntvdm kept crashing. It
took me forever to get the backup back to where it was, I had made a
mess of things... I'm back on Win7 32 bit for now. I might try again tomorrow, if you think it's worth the upgrade and my dos programs will still work.

I haven't tried Windows for a BBS since 2000. I'm not the person to ask though hve you looked at NTVDM64?

-- Sean

... "Wealth is not his that has it but his that enjoys it." - B. Franklin
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Hello Shurato,

Thursday January 04 2024 21:13, you wrote to me:

Ok, I tried to install Win10 32 bit, but the ntvdm kept crashing. It took me forever to get the backup back to where it was, I had made a mess of things... I'm back on Win7 32 bit for now. I might try again tomorrow, if you think it's worth the upgrade and my dos programs will still work.

I haven't tried Windows for a BBS since 2000. I'm not the person to ask though hve you looked at NTVDM64?

If I'm left without a choice but a 64bit OS, I might. It was just the legacy console application setting that I was missing. EleBBS has a linux version, butit doesn't have it's own telnet server, so I'm not sure how well it would work using the BBS with inetd and linux. Some of the RA compatible dos doors might not work with dosemu that way, though, dunno.

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To: Shawn Highfield
Re: sed 4.9+ for Win32?
By: Shawn Highfield to Shurato on Fri Jan 05 2024 05:46 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Ok, I tried to install Win10 32 bit, but the ntvdm kept crashing. It
you think it's worth the upgrade and my dos programs will still work.

I run windows 10 32bit on this VM for the BBS and have no issues with dos programs or ntvdm crashing. Ran a dos BBS for years on it as well.

|09S|11hawn

i think some people have hardware issues, whether they be motherboard or memory, and it carries over into vms having issues. faulty memory can do some weird things.

I run a ton of doorgames and i have goofy stuff like doorway launching them or dosbox. I haven't had issues with ntvdm.
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Shawn Highfield wrote to Shurato <=-

I run windows 10 32bit on this VM for the BBS and have no issues with
dos programs or ntvdm crashing. Ran a dos BBS for years on it as well.

Ditto here - started running Windows 10 32-bit on a Thinkpad T60, then
moved onto a Proxmox VM. I've gotten rid of most of my DOS dependencies,
I could probably move to a 64-bit VM, get a little more memory to play
with, and use DOSBOX for my old DOS utilities, like makenl.



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Jas Hud wrote to Shurato <=-

windows 10 is not bloated and can run a bbs just fine.

Isn't there a "lite" distribution out there? I used to run TinyXP, it
was just enough XP to run a BBS, idled in 200 megs of RAM.



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I run a ton of doorgames and i have goofy stuff like doorway launching
them or dosbox. I haven't had issues with ntvdm.

I had that kind of stuff going on when I ran Ezycom too. It was stable.
Now with Talisman everything is windows native except the door games.

|09S|11hawn


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On 06 Jan 24 10:02:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Jas Hud:

windows 10 is not bloated and can run a bbs just fine.

Isn't there a "lite" distribution out there? I used to run TinyXP, it
was just enough XP to run a BBS, idled in 200 megs of RAM.

Yes... LTSC.

Nick

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Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Isn't there a "lite" distribution out there? I used to run TinyXP, it
was just enough XP to run a BBS, idled in 200 megs of RAM.

Yes... LTSC.

I meant even "lite"er. TinyXP was missing Internet Explorer and all of
the other built-in apps.





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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: sed 4.9+ for Win32?
By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Sat Jan 06 2024 10:02 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Jas Hud wrote to Shurato <=-

windows 10 is not bloated and can run a bbs just fine.

Isn't there a "lite" distribution out there? I used to run TinyXP, it
was just enough XP to run a BBS, idled in 200 megs of RAM.

yeah they still make stripped down versions but stuff can be broken.
you can really just run windows 10 with 2 gigs of ram probably.

microsoft says min req is 2gb for win 10 64bit, 1gb for 32bit.
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On 07 Jan 24 08:02:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

Isn't there a "lite" distribution out there? I used to run TinyXP, it was just enough XP to run a BBS, idled in 200 megs of RAM.

Yes... LTSC.

I meant even "lite"er. TinyXP was missing Internet Explorer and all of
the other built-in apps.

LTSC is probably as light as you will get. If your stuff is all console based and nothing 16-bit then maybe run Server Core?

Nick

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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: sed 4.9+ for Win32?
By: Kurt Weiske to Nick Andre on Sun Jan 07 2024 08:02 am

Yes... LTSC.

I meant even "lite"er. TinyXP was missing Internet Explorer and all of
the other built-in apps.

well it was gutted. it had services removed.
I don't think THAT was even necessary because xp runs with very little resources as well. i think it got the attention of people who were hoping
for something they really didn't need.

i ran tinyxp and tiny7 before. then i figured fuck it, run the real thing. it's less broken and the requirements are low.
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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

yeah they still make stripped down versions but stuff can be broken.
you can really just run windows 10 with 2 gigs of ram probably.

I ran my BBS on a mobile Core 2 duo and 3GB nicely on 32-bit Windows.
Ran a Shoutcast station, too.



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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: sed 4.9+ for Win32?
By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Mon Jan 08 2024 06:20 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

yeah they still make stripped down versions but stuff can be broken. you can really just run windows 10 with 2 gigs of ram probably.

I ran my BBS on a mobile Core 2 duo and 3GB nicely on 32-bit Windows.
Ran a Shoutcast station, too.

years ago i ran windows 7 on a netbook with like 1gig of memory and i was playing wow (warcraft) at work with the settings cranked down and tethered to my phone. it worked decent but i wouldn't do any raiding.
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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

i ran tinyxp and tiny7 before. then i figured fuck it, run the real thing. it's less broken and the requirements are low.

Depends on what you have. I ran the BBS on a 1 ghz Celeron with 512 MB
of RAM on it, and it ran surprisingly well. This was a HP Pavilion PC
from 1999-2000, the only real limitation with it was the HD interface
maxxed out at ATA-33.




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