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Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Someday I'd like to get some land and get a pre-fab house put on it. I

you'd have to have a big chunk of money to do that.

I'm working on it. All I have is time right now.

i heard they are up in price everywhere. the quality is not great so i wouldn't recommend it. also your pipes will freeze if it gets cold enough. probably not an issue for your area.

I'd have to have it modified for my needs and I don't know if that could be done which is why I'd rather have a house.

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To: Digimaus
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Digimaus to Jas Hud on Sat Jan 27 2024 10:07 am

wouldn't recommend it. also your pipes will freeze if it gets cold enough. probably not an issue for your area.

I'd have to have it modified for my needs and I don't know if that could be done which is why I'd rather have a house.

Just keep playing the lottery!
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Jas Hud wrote to Digimaus <=-

Just keep playing the lottery!

The lottery is a tax on the stupid.

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Re: Re: pfSense
By: Digimaus to Jas Hud on Sat Jan 27 2024 06:44 pm

The lottery is a tax on the stupid.

Agreed.

The fact so many STEM people falls for it is depresing.

I think a lot of it is social presure only. It is very typical in Spain for people in the workplace to pool money in and buy a lottery ticket for the whole office every now and then. If everybody is doing it and you don't participate, you come across as the weird sociopathic guy.

I am the weird sociopathic guy, but not because I don't play the lottery (because I don't).

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Hello Arelor!

The lottery is a tax on the stupid.

Agreed.

The fact so many STEM people falls for it is depresing.

I think it's hit and miss for many people. I might buy one
from time to time, but I don't play regularly. However, I do
see many people checking their "scratch" tickets though; I
don't buy those.

Someone sent me a crossword scratch ticket for Christmas.. and
that rendered a $20 cash prize.

I don't even remember the last time I bought a lottery ticket.
I think it was over 8 months ago.

I think a lot of it is social presure only. It is very
typical in Spain for people in the workplace to pool money
in and buy a lottery ticket for the whole office every now
and then. If everybody is doing it and you don't
participate, you come across as the weird sociopathic guy.

I don't think there is much "pressure" in workplaces here in
NA. However, I left the typical workplace back in 1996, so
maybe I'm wrong. But there wasn't any pressure to participate
in a lottery pool in my engineering wokplaces back then.

I am the weird sociopathic guy, but not because I don't
play the lottery (because I don't).

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Arelor wrote to Digimaus <=-

I think a lot of it is social presure only. It is very typical in Spain for people in the workplace to pool money in and buy a lottery ticket
for the whole office every now and then. If everybody is doing it and
you don't participate, you come across as the weird sociopathic guy.

Here, they play it up ad additional money for the public education system (which in reality is just flushing it down the toilet). A lot of poor
people spend a good chunk of their government money on lottery tickets.

I am the weird sociopathic guy, but not because I don't play the
lottery (because I don't).

I don't recall any workplace I've been at doing that. It might not be
really common here, dunno.

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Arelor wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

What are the economics of using blottled gas over there? If you only
need heating in deep winter, then maybe it is better to use bottled gas for three months tops than to pay for a natural gas subscription for
the whole year.

Not allowed to use propane in the city limits. Outside of the city limits, it's commonly used.

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To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 09:30 am

Agreed.

The fact so many STEM people falls for it is depresing.

I think it's hit and miss for many people. I might buy one
from time to time, but I don't play regularly. However, I do
see many people checking their "scratch" tickets though; I
don't buy those.

i knew a guy who would win hundreds of dollars on some scratchoffs he got from gasstations each month. i don't know how much he would put in, but he was showing us his winnings each week. he was really addicted to it.
maybe he found some trick or found the right one to buy.
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Hello Digimaus!

Here, they play it up ad additional money for the public
education system (which in reality is just flushing it down
the toilet).

Similar play-it-up here (Canada) too. The lottery corp claims
that the majority of the unclaimed prizes goes to charities and
public programmes.

A lot of poor people spend a good chunk of
their government money on lottery tickets.

I know someone who was/is living on disability and in low-
income housing, and won a lottery prize in the low 6-digits.
She opted NOT to claim the winnings. If she did, the gov't
would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
housing.

I am not sure how she navigated that.

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August Abolins wrote to Digimaus <=-

Similar play-it-up here (Canada) too. The lottery corp claims
that the majority of the unclaimed prizes goes to charities and
public programmes.

I think here it just goes to grease people's palms.

I am not sure how she navigated that.

That is an interesting choice. I'd love to not be dependent on the
government like I am now.

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$489 in California, on an EV time-of-day plan. 3 bedroom house, 2 gas heaters and 2 electric space heaters.

I believe it. That's on the cheaper side, I bet.

We did a remodel in our bedroom last year and ditched a huge gas
heater. Most of the time that we're in there, we're in bed under
covers, so don't need heat in that room very often.

That makes sense. I turn off the heat in my apartment at night since I
keep plenty warm under blankets.

Our rates just went up 20%. Our utility company has a pretty good thing going.

It wouldn't be PG&E, would it?

Everyone knows it should be privatized but whoever attempts it will
have so much campaign money funneled to their opponents that they'd
never make it through the next election.

Absolutely.

Here, I deal with Brightridge (my local PUC/co-op) that buys from the
TVA. I'm lucky. With my being in the hospital this month, my electric
bill should be really, really low.

I miss California (and the west coast as a whole) but I'll never live
there again.

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To: Digimaus
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Digimaus to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 11:39 am

people spend a good chunk of their government money on lottery tickets.

I am the weird sociopathic guy, but not because I don't play the lottery (because I don't).

I don't recall any workplace I've been at doing that. It might not be really common here, dunno.

it's common. there's been lottery winnings that had to be split with coworkers.
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To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 2024 05:19 pm

would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
housing.

I am not sure how she navigated that.

she gave it to a friend and they cashed it.
why even buy it then?

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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 09:30 am

I don't think there is much "pressure" in workplaces here in
NA. However, I left the typical workplace back in 1996, so
maybe I'm wrong. But there wasn't any pressure to participate
in a lottery pool in my engineering wokplaces back then.

I don't mean actual preassure, as when they try to coerce or foce you.

It is just one of those things that give the tribe its identity, and if you fail to do enough of them you end up market as an outsider and a weirdo.

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Re: Re: pfSense
By: Digimaus to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 11:42 am

Not allowed to use propane in the city limits. Outside of the city limits, it's commonly used.

That kind of sucks.

Not many people uses bottled gas here, but at least if you are not well off you have the option to.

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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 2024 05:19 pm

I know someone who was/is living on disability and in low-
income housing, and won a lottery prize in the low 6-digits.
She opted NOT to claim the winnings. If she did, the gov't
would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
housing.

This begs the question: why do you play if you don't plan to claim the prize?

I assume the idea is to claim the prize if it is obscene, but realistically, most prizes you get from these things are not life-changing.

If I got a low 6-digit prize I would invest it. ?If you put 100 grand in the proper companies you will have a base salary of 400 bucks per month on dividends alone. That does not make a living, but makes for a log of dog and horse food.

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Jas Hud wrote to Digimaus <=-

so you can't have any type of propane?

You can have 5 gallon containers, yes, but my apartment complex forbids propane-powered anything due to insurance restrictions.

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Digimaus <=-

Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
there year-round, so we went all electric.

That makes sense. You'd not want propane sitting for long periods of time unused.

Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded or if the snow was
too great for the connectors and pipes. Most likely, the latter.

Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

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To: Digimaus
Re: pfSense
By: Digimaus to Kurt Weiske on Mon Feb 05 2024 01:35 pm

Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

nah it doesn't do that. and if it gets real cold it'll be liquid.
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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 02.02.24 - 16:55, Arelor wrote:

I know someone who was/is living on disability and in low-
income housing, and won a lottery prize in the low 6-digits.
She opted NOT to claim the winnings. If she did, the gov't
would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
housing.

This begs the question: why do you play if you don't plan to claim the prize?

Maybe because the lower payouts are more frequent than the big
ones? ..and they want to experience more frequent wins? The
person who told me about her 6-digit winnings was not aware
that it would impact her existing gov't handhouts.

If I got a low 6-digit prize I would invest it. -+If you
put 100 grand in the proper companies you will have a base
salary of 400 bucks per month on dividends alone. That does
not make a living, but makes for a log of dog and horse
food.

So.. you got ANY $s in such investments? They say even a low
$100 every now and then is enough to get started.




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Digimaus wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few
inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

We've had a huge system settled in over California, we had rain nonstop
for around 48 hours on the coast, and reports of 2-3 feet of new snow at
our cabin.



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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 05 2024 07:55 pm

So.. you got ANY $s in such investments? They say even a low
$100 every now and then is enough to get started.

Well, I am a young man who has three sources of income, nearly no expenses, and lives in a country in which saving money is frowned upon and penalized, so... yeah, I am currently pumping all the money I don't have immediate use for into investments.

Basically, I am buying:

* Things that I will use to save money by producing things I use. For example, equipment for preserving food, equipment for growing food. You get the idea.

* Stocks from established companies with no bullshit business plans. A company with no meaningful growth prospects that has a good payout and healthy accounting is a better buy for me than a company that grows taking money from investors in exchange of developing vaporware products. I have enough friends in IT to know most vaporware products won't materialize and the ones who do won't pay their money back to investors.

* Things I am going to use, are going to become more expensive in the future, and I can keep in storage for a reasonable length of time (such as alcohol, solid fuels, tools).

Ideally I will have a supplementary income big enough when I turn 40 that I could get by just on dividends from my investments and a single non-stressful job - since I don't have meaningful debts anyway - plus I will keep the capability of producing so much stuff for self-consumption if need be.

I guess the advantage of not having a girl is you can find better uses for your money (lol)

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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Kurt Weiske to Digimaus on Tue Feb 06 2024 06:21 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.chat.general

Digimaus wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

We've had a huge system settled in over California, we had rain nonstop
for around 48 hours on the coast, and reports of 2-3 feet of new snow at
our cabin.

You just described every day in january in my home state of wisconsin
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To: Mike Powell
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Wed Feb 07 2024 10:29 am

from the tanks to the houses/cabins was not burried deep enough, or maybe the installers did something else that didn't take the cold and snow into account.

They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the
company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

he said tanks exploded or imploded.

Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
there year-round, so we went all electric.

Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters
where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded

he probably had defective tanks.
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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Tue Feb 06 2024 06:22 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.

I think it was more a function of the 15 feet of snow surrounding the
tank.

what would that do? do you think the snow would crush the tanks?
it hasnt crushed anything outside where i live and we've had lots of snow some years.
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Jas Hud wrote to Mike Powell <=-

They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the
company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

he said tanks exploded or imploded.

The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
The propane leaks out and ignites.




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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 11 2024 09:03 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.chat.general

Jas Hud wrote to Mike Powell <=-

They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

he said tanks exploded or imploded.

The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
The propane leaks out and ignites.

Okay that's different from what you were saying before.

" KW> Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters

where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded or if the snow was
too great for the connectors and pipes. Most likely, the latter. "

Why did they ignite?

this just seems like some made up story.

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They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

he said tanks exploded or imploded.

The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
The propane leaks out and ignites.

I thought you mentioned the gas lines at some point. ;)

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To: Mike Powell
Re: Re: pfSense
By: Mike Powell to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 12 2024 10:34 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.chat.general

They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

he said tanks exploded or imploded.

The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
The propane leaks out and ignites.

I thought you mentioned the gas lines at some point. ;)

he mentioned everything. none of it makes sense.
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Hello Arelor!

** On Tuesday 06.02.24 - 12:01, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

Basically, I am buying: [...]

* Stocks from established companies with no bullshit
business plans. A company with no meaningful growth
prospects that has a good payout and healthy accounting is
a better buy for me than a company that grows taking money
from investors in exchange of developing vaporware
products. I have enough friends in IT to know most
vaporware products won't materialize and the ones who do
won't pay their money back to investors.

Does that include NVIDIA? Its stock seems to have doubled since
January 1, and almost went 500% since 12 months ago.

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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Feb 22 2024 05:27 pm

Does that include NVIDIA? Its stock seems to have doubled since
January 1, and almost went 500% since 12 months ago.

NVIDIA is an overheated value.

Its Price to Earnings stat isn't great - ie. each stock does not represent enough productive power from the company to be considered a great deal for the buck.

NVIDIA has a low dividend, to the point of being non-existent.

Generally, I regard hyped-tech companies as gambling investments. Sure, they can spike high and fix your day, but since most of them lack productive power enough to sustain their absurd prices, you can find yourself in the other end of the spectrum.

Compare NVIDIA to an average Spanish utility company. Sure, they won't spike and make you rich, but they are cheap to buy and will pay a very good dividend for their entry price for decades to come. Consider that Spanish companies tend to pay higher dividends than American ones, by miles.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 22.02.24 - 18:02, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

NVIDIA is an overheated value.

Its Price to Earnings stat isn't great - ie. each stock
does not represent enough productive power from the company
to be considered a great deal for the buck.

But for the last year it has produced pretty good value. a
simple $1000 investment a year ago would be $6000 now. That's
pretty good in my book.

NVIDIA has a low dividend, to the point of being non-
existent.

Yes.. I recall your dividend approach.

Generally, I regard hyped-tech companies as gambling
investments. Sure, they can spike high and fix your day,
but since most of them lack productive power enough to
sustain their absurd prices, you can find yourself in the
other end of the spectrum.

But NVIDIA is supposed to be different. It's their tech that is
behind all that is driving the AI boom.

Compare NVIDIA to an average Spanish utility company. Sure,
they won't spike and make you rich, but they are cheap to
buy and will pay a very good dividend for their entry price
for decades to come. Consider that Spanish companies tend
to pay higher dividends than American ones, by miles.

Ah.. and you are remaining domestic. That's probably a prudent
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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Feb 25 2024 08:56 am

But for the last year it has produced pretty good value. a
simple $1000 investment a year ago would be $6000 now. That's
pretty good in my book.

But NVIDIA is supposed to be different. It's their tech that is
behind all that is driving the AI boom.

Ah.. and you are remaining domestic. That's probably a prudent
approach.

First things first:

The stock price multiplying itself by 6 does not mean the company is producing value. Obviously, if you pick such a raise, that's great, because you can pump and dump and be done with it.

What often happens is investors start overrating or underrating mediatic stocks based on speculation regarding what might happen to the firm next. You can make great gains jumping in with them, but the point is at that time you are gambling rather than investing.

When you buy a stock at a higher price than the current state of the company grants, because you "know" they will control the next hyped cool thing (ie. AI) in a couple of years, you are not buying the productive value of the company as much as you are buying a hope.

Most tech companies would take half a century or more to pay their investors back from their benefits because so many people is investing in hope rather than productive value. These investors are banking on the fact the firm will multiply its productivity so wildly and in such a short term that I think they are either bonkers or willingly playing Tulipmania.

I don't remain domestic in my investments. I have purchased all the Spanish stock I wanted for my portfolio and now I am investing outside, because Spain sucks.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 25.02.24 - 16:59, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

The stock price multiplying itself by 6 does not mean the
company is producing value. Obviously, if you pick such a
raise, that's great, because you can pump and dump and be
done with it.

What often happens is investors start overrating or
underrating mediatic stocks based on speculation regarding
[...]

Sounds like you have a fine grip on picking the right
investments. You will be all set for your retirement years. :D

I registered with an investment newsletter a log while ago, and
NVIDIA was a recommend at least a year ago. That 500% return
would be a nice thing right about now. There have been some
other fine recommends when to buy and when to sell. All of
those were good opportunities. I'm just observing their
success rate.

Most tech companies would take half a century or more to
pay their investors back from their benefits because so
many people is investing in hope rather than productive
value. These investors are banking on the fact the firm
will multiply its productivity so wildly and in such a
short term that I think they are either bonkers or
willingly playing Tulipmania.

I think they count on the massive % increases afforded by penny
stock. 5cents to 1dollar is a huge increase!

I don't remain domestic in my investments. I have purchased
all the Spanish stock I wanted for my portfolio and now I
am investing outside, because Spain sucks.

"Spain sucks" seems to be your mantra. Noted. Hope you find
some suitable foreign stock.

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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 26 2024 09:32 pm

"Spain sucks" seems to be your mantra. Noted. Hope you find
some suitable foreign stock.

I found some UK company that has operations all over Africa. It managed to get a nice spike of value right after I bought it. If I was trading and I had sold I would have made 9% in three months or so.

The real bummer is that, according to their docs, they "respect
the human rights of their niggers," which is a bummer because I am sure that makes the company less profitable.

Ok ok, stop throwing tomatoes at me.

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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 26 2024 09:32 pm

"Spain sucks" seems to be your mantra. Noted. Hope you find
some suitable foreign stock.

By the way, my real mantras are:

"People sucks and deserves to die"

and

"They lits this fire, let them burn in it!"

I like the latter because people always ignores my wise advice, does something stupid, and get bitten in the ass while I watch from afar :-P

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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 25.02.24 - 16:59, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

But NVIDIA is supposed to be different. [...]

First things first:

The stock price multiplying itself by 6 does not mean the company is producing value. Obviously, if you pick such a raise, that's great,
because you can pump and dump and be done with it.

It's still seems to be doing quite well. Even for someone
picking the stock since about a month ago, the price has
climbed quite a bit.

What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
nice climb right now.


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To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Mar 04 2024 07:36 am

What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
nice climb right now.

i wouldn't really call it 'nice'. it's not total shit.

I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally done a little more than break even.
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Jas Hud wrote to August Abolins <=-

To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Mar 04 2024 07:36 am

What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
nice climb right now.

i wouldn't really call it 'nice'. it's not total shit.

I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally
done a little more than break even.

Investing is a marathon, not a sprint.



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Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Mar 04 2024 07:36 am

What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
nice climb right now.

I like Cryptocurrencies as a concept. Money that is not controlled by the government is a great idea.

As an investment, I am not a fan. I don't like storing my savings as "money", which includes both regular and non-regular versions of money.

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To: Arelor
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: Arelor to August Abolins on Tue Mar 05 2024 01:42 pm

I like Cryptocurrencies as a concept. Money that is not controlled by the government is a great idea.

As an investment, I am not a fan. I don't like storing my savings as "money", which includes both regular and non-regular versions of money.

it's not really money. it's pseudo money. it's the same as if we started using leaves as money. it's money because some people treat it like money.

i'm going to wait until it goes up a bit more and then cash it out into
my govt's fake money.
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Hello Jas Hud!

it's not really money. it's pseudo money. it's the same as
if we started using leaves as money. it's money because
some people treat it like money.

Bitcoin is not like banking with leaves. Leaves are infinite,
bitcoin is finite. And as more and more bitcoin is mined, the
less remains.

But I get your meaning of pseudo money in the sense that
practically anything could be treated as money as long as
people agree it has value. The more people actually use a
particular crypto for buying/selling then that is the metric
for accepted value.

i'm going to wait until it goes up a bit more and then
cash it out into my govt's fake money.

Excellent. Sounds like you will have a nice chunk of change
after that.

I've been leary of the exchanges. Many have been hacked and
people's holdings have gone missing or are nolonger accessible.
The key would be to keep ones crypto in ones own wallet. I
could never settle with a particular wallet program - even that
could go tits-up if the device it's used on breaks down.


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To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Tue Mar 05 2024 08:22 pm

i'm going to wait until it goes up a bit more and then
cash it out into my govt's fake money.

Excellent. Sounds like you will have a nice chunk of change
after that.

i'm just looking to break even. and have extra money for the 3 years.

I've been leary of the exchanges. Many have been hacked and
people's holdings have gone missing or are nolonger accessible.
The key would be to keep ones crypto in ones own wallet. I
could never settle with a particular wallet program - even that
could go tits-up if the device it's used on breaks down.

i used coinbase and that's the first time my creditcard number was stolen. someone bought sports equipment from all over the country.
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Hello Jas Hud!

i used coinbase and that's the first time my creditcard number was
stolen. someone bought sports equipment from all over the country.

I take it you're using another exchange and not coinbase now? I
fear the period of uncertainty when transferring crypto to the
esxchange and waiting for the conversion to happen.

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Arelor wrote to August Abolins <=-

I like Cryptocurrencies as a concept. Money that is not controlled by
the government is a great idea.

As an investment, I am not a fan. I don't like storing my savings as "money", which includes both regular and non-regular versions of money.

As a means of transfer, it's got some potential and you don't run into
issues with volatility.


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To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Wed Mar 06 2024 08:24 am

I take it you're using another exchange and not coinbase now? I
fear the period of uncertainty when transferring crypto to the
esxchange and waiting for the conversion to happen.

yeah i junked my data in my account and then abandoned coinbase.
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Hello Jas Hud!

** On Monday 04.03.24 - 10:48, Jas Hud wrote to August Abolins:

What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
nice climb right now.

i wouldn't really call it 'nice'. it's not total shit.

I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally done a little more than break even.

Break even? That means you bought in around Nov '21 when it was
listing around 65K$? I kinda tanked after that point and only
started to rebound in Jan '23.

Hang on to it. It's poised to climb much higher this year.



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To: August Abolins
Re: the lottery is a tax
By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Fri Mar 08 2024 08:43 pm

I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally done

a
little more than break even.

Break even? That means you bought in around Nov '21 when it was
listing around 65K$? I kinda tanked after that point and only
started to rebound in Jan '23.

i last bought it in 2021. it quickly dropped to half that.
only recently has it jumped up.

the woman i live with lost more money, but she bought several kinds of crypto. i never really invest in crypto. i buy it and spend it.

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