Hi everyone,

For the Synch sysops: does Synchronet have some sort of automated request system for a Micronet node number? I have been receiving a lot of very
short 8-line "node apps" for Micronet, which I immediately reject and tell
the sysops to fill out an actual node app...and I never hear from them again (which IMNSHO is a good thing).

It's so bad that I set up an automated template reply in Claws-Mail...

-- Sean



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Re: Synchronet sysops
By: Sean Dennis to All on Fri Nov 01 2024 10:48 pm

Howdy,

For the Synch sysops: does Synchronet have some sort of automated request system for a Micronet node number? I have been receiving a lot of very short 8-line "node apps" for Micronet, which I immediately reject and tell the sysops to fill out an actual node app...and I never hear from them again (which IMNSHO is a good thing).

Yup I believe so (I've never used it though).

I think its a tool to help new users to set their sync up for an othernet, as well as send an application to join.

If you dont want Micronet in there, you could ask Rob to remove it (or maybe not send the app part?)


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If you dont want Micronet in there, you could ask Rob to remove it (or maybe not send the app part?)

I don't mind but he should have the program grab the app via the infopack.
I appreciate that he thought of Micronet and I don't want to sound like a
jerk about it.

Thanks for the info.

-- Sean



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If you dont want Micronet in there, you could ask Rob to remove it (or maybe not send the app part?)

I don't mind but he should have the program grab the app via the infopack.
I appreciate that he thought of Micronet and I don't want to sound like a jerk about it.

There is a script that some new sysops are using to set up FTNs but I was
not aware that it was that advanced -- sending emails after they finished setting up.

Mike

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Re: Re: Synchronet sysops
By: digimaus to Deon George on Sat Nov 02 2024 06:59 am

Howdy,

I don't mind but he should have the program grab the app via the infopack.
I appreciate that he thought of Micronet and I don't want to sound like a jerk about it.

Thanks for the info.

FWIW, I think it does download the info pack for the user...


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Mike Powell wrote to DIGIMAUS <=-

There is a script that some new sysops are using to set up FTNs but I
was not aware that it was that advanced -- sending emails after they finished setting up.

Here's the latest one I received with needed retractions:

==
Hello, this is Will Milberger from Kurten, Texas
and I am requesting a node number for zone 618 in Micronet.

My system is Dark Matter BBS at darkmatt.synchro.net.

I am using Synchronet-Linux v3.20a with SBBSecho and BinkIT.

My requested AreaFix password is:
My requested BinkP Session password is:
My requested TIC Password is:

I will be using 'Type-2+' (FSC-39) packets with no password.
Uncompressed or PKZIP-archived EchoMail bundles will work fine.
==

All of the emails are identical save for the obvious. When I send a replky back that they need to read the infopack and fill out the node app, I never hear back. I think it maybe beyond their capability do follow instructions.

-- Sean


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Deon George wrote to digimaus <=-

FWIW, I think it does download the info pack for the user...

If it does, they sure the hell don't know how to follow instructions which doesn't surprise me at all.

-- Sean

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Hi digimaus,
In a message to Mike Powell you wrote:

All of the emails are identical save for the obvious. When I send a
replky back that they need to read the infopack and fill out the node
app, I never hear back. I think it maybe beyond their capability do follow instructions.

Simple enough to ignore. Especially if you are taking the time to reply asking for a correct application. I agree with you though, it's not like it takes a long time to fill out the micronet app.

The iron fist is settling down!

Shawn

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On 02 Nov 24 21:53:18, Digimaus said the following to Mike Powell:

All of the emails are identical save for the obvious. When I send a replky back that they need to read the infopack and fill out the node app, I never hear back. I think it maybe beyond their capability do follow instructions.

You never hear back, because Rob Swindell never verifies the email route for replies.

So I get a ton of applications - with my email address hardcoded - that I cannot respond to because they are almost 95% unroutable / undeliverable.

Nick

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Tiny wrote to Digimaus <=-

Simple enough to ignore. Especially if you are taking the time to
reply asking for a correct application. I agree with you though, it's not like it takes a long time to fill out the micronet app.

I think today's new sysops are more "machine operator" than they would be
what I consider a "sysop" these days.

The iron fist is settling down!

Not so much the Iron Fist but others being stupid enough to screw up a wet dream.

-- Sean

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Nick Andre wrote to Digimaus <=-

So I get a ton of applications - with my email address hardcoded - that
I cannot respond to because they are almost 95% unroutable / undeliverable.

They almost all come from the Synchronet DDNS domain.

If they don't stop, I will force all emails from that domain to be rejected
by my webhost's mail system.

It's as simple as that.

-- Sean

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There is a script that some new sysops are using to set up FTNs but I was not aware that it was that advanced -- sending emails after they finished setting up.

Here's the latest one I received with needed retractions:

All of the emails are identical save for the obvious. When I send a replky back that they need to read the infopack and fill out the node app, I never hear back. I think it maybe beyond their capability do follow instructions.

Sounds like that script is doing it. I guess that works for networks like
FIDO that don't really have an agreed-upon application process. I am not
aware of any other FTN networks that don't require some form of application.

If they are not following up then it is there problem.

Mike


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digimaus wrote in a message to Nick Andre:

They almost all come from the Synchronet DDNS domain.
If they don't stop, I will force all emails from that domain to be
rejected by my webhost's mail system.

That's not a bad idea. I mean.... if they want to fill out an app correctly they will get a node number much faster. :)

Shawn

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If they are not following up then it is there problem.

It also makes me wonder if I really want them in Micronet.

-- Sean



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Y'all could reach out to Rob and help him improve the process. He's
easy enough to reach.

digimaus wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Nick Andre wrote to Digimaus <=-

So I get a ton of applications - with my email address hardcoded - that
I cannot respond to because they are almost 95% unroutable / undeliverable.

They almost all come from the Synchronet DDNS domain.

If they don't stop, I will force all emails from that domain to be rejected by my webhost's mail system.

It's as simple as that.

-- Sean

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On 03 Nov 24 08:18:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Digimaus:

Y'all could reach out to Rob and help him improve the process. He's
easy enough to reach.

That has been tried a few times to no avail. I have a reply from him that removing my email is "not possible because of the sheer amount of installs out there".... even though we all know most Sysops are like kids at Xmas always eager to install the latest version.

The Fido Z1 site specifically says to follow procedure and apply at the appropriate *C level. To show that you know what you're doing with setting up
a mailer and can send Netmail... much like Micronet in that I'm not holding your hand, the onus is on you to make it work. Thats all part of the fun.

Rob's scripting circumvents all this because he can, he must... leaving me
with a lot of unrepliable emails and things that should be sent to RC's,
NC's and even other ZC's. The chance that I do get in contact with the newcomer, they are often totally lost or need handholding beyond my patience.

Nobody was ever patient with me in '94... why now 30 years later should I.

Nick

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If they are not following up then it is there problem.

It also makes me wonder if I really want them in Micronet.

Yep!

Mike


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They almost all come from the Synchronet DDNS domain.
If they don't stop, I will force all emails from that domain to be rejected by my webhost's mail system.

That's not a bad idea. I mean.... if they want to fill out an app correctly they will get a node number much faster. :)

The one issue I can see here is if a not-new synchronet sysop applies, who has their *.synchro.net address set up correctly with Rob, their filled out application form could also get rejected.

If I remember, I will ask Rob in the support forum why the script
apparently doesn't ask for a valid email address. In most cases, if a
sysop is just setting up, chances are they have not yet figured out how to
get their *.synchro.net address set up (and may not even be looking to use
that feature).

Mike

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Mike Powell wrote in a message to TINY:

The one issue I can see here is if a not-new synchronet sysop
applies, who has their *.synchro.net address set up correctly with
Rob, their filled out application form could also get rejected.

As it should be. That's not the correct application form for Micronet.

I'm just gonna back outta this conversation as I'm just talking out my ass anyway. :)

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The one issue I can see here is if a not-new synchronet sysop
applies, who has their *.synchro.net address set up correctly with
Rob, their filled out application form could also get rejected.

As it should be. That's not the correct application form for Micronet.

Maybe I misunderstood but I think this approach would also block those
sysops who are sending in a *correct* application and use a *valid* working *.synchro.net address.

I'm just gonna back outta this conversation as I'm just talking out my ass anyway. :)

I received a response from Rob. He has added some code to the script that
will include a blurb to notify the potential sysop how important the email address they enter is and also some code that will check for a vaild MX
entry for the domain entered.

That should keep new sysops from sending emails from/with *.synchro.net
(or other invalid) accounts that are not set up to accept mail. It won't find all potential address errors, and won't force them to fill out the required applications, but it is a start to at least getting a good address to communicate with them.

Mike

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Kurt Weiske wrote to digimaus <=-

Y'all could reach out to Rob and help him improve the process. He's
easy enough to reach.

No one asked me if I wanted Micronet to be involved in this in the first
place. He did this to Nick, distrubuting Nick's personal email instead of following the instructions in Policy 4.07.

No, I don't want to be involved at all in his "processes" because if he
doesn't care enough to ask me for permission, I don't give a damn about
these idiots that can't read. Besides, there's no way I'd let them in
Micronet anyway. I've had a process in place for 24 years that's worked
just fine. Just because these spoon-fed "appliance operators" are showing
up at my doorstep, thanks to the all-kowing Rob Swindell, doesn't mean I
should go encourage a bad idea.

I don't think any of these sysops would be a boon to Micronet.

-- Sean


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Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

That has been tried a few times to no avail. I have a reply from him
that removing my email is "not possible because of the sheer amount of installs out there".... even though we all know most Sysops are like
kids at Xmas always eager to install the latest version.

My dealings with hium over the years have left me with an opinion of someone who's sanctimonious about the BBS world. I seriously doubt he'd listen to
me about anything.

-- Sean

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Shawn Highfield wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I'm just gonna back outta this conversation as I'm just talking out my
ass anyway. :)

Since when has Rob been known for using logic or even asking permission?

-- Sean

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Mike Powell wrote to SHAWN HIGHFIELD <=-

I received a response from Rob. He has added some code to the script
that will include a blurb to notify the potential sysop how important
the email address they enter is and also some code that will check for
a vaild MX entry for the domain entered.

It's be nice if he asked for permiassion to include my intellectual property
in his damn steaming pile of shit software too. How fucking lazy do you
have to be to click on a download link to get the latest Micronet infopack?

To be very honest, I really don't want any of these new sysops who can't
follow simple instructions to apply for a Micronet node. Let Rob deal with
the appliance operators.

-- Sean

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It's be nice if he asked for permiassion to include my intellectual property in his damn steaming pile of shit software too. How fucking lazy do you
have to be to click on a download link to get the latest Micronet infopack?

They would have to be pretty lazy not to click a link for sure. The application is not difficult to fill out (so long as you know how to set
your software up!).


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Hi Mike,
In a message to Digimaus you wrote:

They would have to be pretty lazy not to click a link for sure. The application is not difficult to fill out (so long as you know how to
set your software up!).

That's kind of what I was trying to get at. Just for "fun" I filled out
the micronet application this morning. Took me 3 minutes.
I could have done it quicker, but I can't find my glasses.

Shawn

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I could have done it quicker, but I can't find my glasses.

This is a problem I can relate to! :D

Mike


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Mike Powell wrote in a message to TINY:

I could have done it quicker, but I can't find my glasses.

This is a problem I can relate to! :D

I'm sure a few of us! ;)

Shawn

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They would have to be pretty lazy not to click a link for sure. The application is not difficult to fill out (so long as you know how to set your software up!).

I was pretty pissed when I wrote the last message because my temper got the best of me.

That reminds me, I need to so some work on the node app and the MPOD. I'll
try to get it done tomorrow befor Friday.

-- Sean



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I could have done it quicker, but I can't find my glasses.

Old man issues.

I'm the same way. No glasses, no way to see fine detail or read.

Been using readers since I was 40.

-- Sean



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Sean Dennis wrote to Mike Powell <=-

They would have to be pretty lazy not to click a link for sure. The application is not difficult to fill out (so long as you know how to set your software up!).

I was pretty pissed when I wrote the last message because my temper got the best of me.

No worries. ;) It usually happens to me in the politics echoes after I
have to repeat the same thing over and over. I have most lately been
banging my head against the table trying to explain "The Boy Who Cried
Wolf" to Alan Ianson. He either doesn't understand it, or they teach it
much differently in the posh parts of BC.

Mike


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Hi Sean,
On <Thu, 06 Nov 24>, you wrote me:

I'm the same way. No glasses, no way to see fine detail or read.

Yeah. :(

Been using readers since I was 40.

I started with readers at 47 I think it was, but a few months after that
I needed the eye doc to write a script. One eye is much worse then
the otehr one is.

Shawn

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On 06 Nov 24 19:38:00, Mike Powell said the following to Sean Dennis:

have to repeat the same thing over and over. I have most lately been banging my head against the table trying to explain "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" to Alan Ianson. He either doesn't understand it, or they teach it much differently in the posh parts of BC.

What he does is completely deliberate. Its all a game, an act.

He desperately wants to emulate the Janis method of twisting one thing into another, smiley-faces and all, along with having the disciples she had.

Nick

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Nick Andre wrote to Mike Powell <=-

have to repeat the same thing over and over. I have most lately been banging my head against the table trying to explain "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" to Alan Ianson. He either doesn't understand it, or they teach it much differently in the posh parts of BC.

What he does is completely deliberate. Its all a game, an act.

Reminds me of my headstrong, too-smart-for-her-own-good 14 year old
daughter's goto strategy. Her other one? Arguing that she's not
arguing.



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Kurt Weiske wrote in a message to Nick Andre:

Reminds me of my headstrong, too-smart-for-her-own-good 14 year old daughter's goto strategy. Her other one? Arguing that she's not
arguing.

Oh god I'm so glad my kids are in their 30's now. (Well Son in Feb). I remember both those from my daughter. She's still the same, but at least able to hide it better. LOL

Shawn

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On 07 Nov 24 06:36:28, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

Reminds me of my headstrong, too-smart-for-her-own-good 14 year old
daughter's goto strategy. Her other one? Arguing that she's not
arguing.

My daughter can be notorious for this. I feel sorry for whatever poor bastard ends up being her boyfriend.

Nick

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Mike Powell wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Alan Ianson

After what he did to me with Micronet, I couldn't care less what he
thinks. He's a waste of human flesh and he proves it every time he talks.

-- Sean


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Tiny wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I started with readers at 47 I think it was, but a few months after
that I needed the eye doc to write a script. One eye is much worse
then the otehr one is.

My diabetic retinopathy loves to mess with my vision if I'm not careful.
About to undergo another six-month round of shots in my eyes but thank God
that a) I'm not having to pay the USD$5000 a shot and b) the shots work well
on my eyes. The shots themselves are nowhere near painful (I don't feel or
see the actual physical needle) and the side effects, while irritating, are minor.

The worst problem is that I was born with esophoria or my inner eye muscles
are too short. I wear prisms in my glasses to modify the focal point of
the light incoming to my eye so I do not get terrible headaches. There is
no surgery to fix my issue that works well so I just wear glasses. I do
see halos around lights at night and I have to have the glaaes tinted for outside as the prisms tend to concentrate light and surrounding light
becomes incredibly bright.

The nearsightedness is age-related so I just deal with it. LOL

At least I didn't get astigmatism from my mom. She has wet macular degeneration and is on shots to control it. Both my younger sister and I
could get it when we are older also.

I'm glad that, when I had the money, I bought two 27" monitors. They help a lot allowing me to see details such.

-- Sean

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Nick Andre wrote to Mike Powell <=-

He desperately wants to emulate the Janis method of twisting one thing into another, smiley-faces and all, along with having the disciples she had.

Like Janus, the two-faced Roman god.

Alan might fancy himself a god but he's just a cuck for Trudeau.

-- Sean

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Reminds me of my headstrong, too-smart-for-her-own-good 14 year old
daughter's goto strategy. Her other one? Arguing that she's not
arguing.

Even in our older years, my stewpdad and I butt heads. We're completely different people but I think with the severe TBI he had in his car accident
in 2003, his personality changed. Now I just tend to drop a subject if
he's getting testy. God knows I don't want to make him so angry he has a
heart attack.

I try not to argue anymore. I usually just drop the subject at hand,
however, my mom and I will argue at times about my health. I understand
where she's coming from, however, at 52, I realize that some things about me aren't changing.

-- Sean

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